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Edited by KrishnaDaBeast: 1/26/2016 2:59:15 AM
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*ENDED* PETITION TO GET RID OF SBMM (SKILL BASED MATCH MAKING) THERE IS HOPE :D

This is killing PvP for me and a lot of players in the Destiny community. [b](TL;DR is down below)[/b] Skill based match making is matching people with "Equal" skill even if it's across continents and that just put lag on a whole new level. There should be ranked playlist and dedicated servers if they want to introduce skill-based matchmaking, so, for now, they should reintroduce connection based match making. Crucible is so sweaty, and it requires you to give the game 100% percent concentration if you want to win a match, which just ruins the fun in playing it in the first place. If you are in the higher ranks and want to use any other guns than the meta=RIP If you play with play with some of your friends who aren't as good=RIP Bungie the last two COD games tried skill based match making and have failed miserably (For example Advanced Warfare) [b][u] [i]TL; DR= Replace skill based matchmaking with connection based matchmaking before it's too late.[/u] [/i][/b] Bungie needs to listen to the community and go back to connection based matchmaking because of the Lag and crucible feeling more of a chore than it being fun. This is a casual game, and if you want it to be competitive then you got to introduce Private matches, dedicated servers and ranked playlist. [u][b]Guys please if you agree please sign and upvote this so people can see. Leave a comment about why you also hate SBMM. If you disagree with this post or some parts of this post please leave me a detailed comment explaining why. [/b][/u] If we want Destiny to be saved then we got to start somewhere important. Let your voices be heard! (Also, tell me if there are any grammatical mistakes or any spelling mistakes) [b]EDIT: Wow you guys are awesome! Keep signing and bumping so hopefully Bungie could see this and the many other posts out there.[/b] [b]EDIT: Please also do not forget to Upvote or click the like button on this post so more people can see this, thank you.[/b] [b] EDIT: 550+ Upvotes? Damn guys keep doing what you are doing. Bungie will have to see this. [/b] For the people that are saying "Oh now it's competitive, wow the horror." Then this is what I personally have to say to you [quote] Have you seen the crucible lately? It's latency issues are on a whole new level because of SBMM. A game like this with no dedicated servers should just stick to P2P connections which you clearly can't comprehend. I could play competitively when I want to feel like it. I organize scrims against competitive people all the time. But when I want to win matches.and have fun, I do not want to sweat and concentrate 100% for the whole watch just to have a chance at winning. It's funny if you actually think Destiny with no crucible balance, no dedicated servers, no ranked playlist, and no private matches could be competitive. [/quote] This is gold [quote] The pure idiocy is they've removed the fun of occasionally having an easier or harder match. It's sweaty all the time, especially if you improve. And further proof of the idiocy is this: where is the reward system that matches the SBMM? So you're going to give people more difficult matches, but reward them with a mote of light? Pull your head out of your ass Bungie,[/quote] By IronChalice For the "special people" that think SBMM is fine and you the top tier players or any players should be forced into laggy games so they don't play against people close to them. Please I challenge you to go read this great post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188142897/0/0 [u][i][b]EDIT: We have around 1600+ Signatures and Bumps. Let's hope Bungie sees this. Tweet this at them. Anything. Just keep Upvoting, bumping, and signing. If you disagree, please don't be ignorant because you post. Read what I and the people in this post are saying before speaking out. I would love to hear everyone's opinion but make it detailed. [/b][/i][/u] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVAYD-jWfY A video I found on Reddit. It's an SBMM Lagtage Best comment IMO [quote]I'm not against skilled based matchmaking. Especially if it was clear what skill was rated on. Halo 3, in my opinion, had the best skilled based matchmaking, I'm all for it if it can be replicated. In order for this to work, though, casual needs to be separated from ranked play. Casual players don't want to play hard and ranked players don't want to be sweaty all the time. I chose when I want to go hard, and I believe the majority of the player base does the same.[/quote] [u][b]By The Medic44[/b][/u] [i][u][b] EDIT: Keep on Upvoting, bumping, sharing, commenting, tweeting, anything. Bungo needs to see this clear flaw with PvP and how this alone could kill Destiny. I don't care about the content shortage if it means I can have fun in PvP but now I can't even do that. Bungie, you are killing your own game by not listening to us![/b][/u][/i] [i][u][b] EDIT: OMG 900+ Upvotes and no Bungie. BUNGO SAY SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET RID OF SBMM. The majority wants it. Guys keep doing what you are doing. We need to get 1000 Upvotes so hopefully BUNGIE can see people don't want SBMM[/b][/u][/i] [quote] HUGE EDIT:Guys, an update about matchmaking! https://www.bungie.net/7_Matchmaking-Updates/en/News/News?aid=14278 Matchmaking will have more emphasis on connection starting WEDNESDAY. ONLY in Iron Banner. They will analyze that and then roll the matchmaking changes out to more Crucible playlists over time. We have yet to see if these changes will fix the issues, but this looks like a partial win with a full win incoming at an unspecified date. People, PLAY the EFF out if IB after Wednesday's update goes live. Let's let them know with our play time that we want the matchmaking to be CONNECTION based first, skill second.[/quote] [u][b]By Irivingjohn 1985[/b][/u] [i][b] 1000+ Signatures and Bungie finally said something. But it's a beta test, or it would feel like it so please PLAY THE EFF OUT OF IT AND TELL BUNGIE YOU LIKE IT. THIS PETITION HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SIGNING, BUMPING, AND COMMENTING. Tell Bungie you like the new matchmaking, if you like it, please. Someone else should make a petition asking for Bungie to keep the matchmaking if it's good. As for now I have done my job.[/b][/i] [b]WE -blam!-ING WON BOYS AND GIRLS. LET'S GO[/b]

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  • Bump, upvote and whatever else needs to be done to eradicate the SBMM!

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  • signed!

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  • Signed. I think the best way to get Bungie notice on this connection issue that arises from SBMM (beside from posting in this forum), is to use the in-game reporting mechanism to [b]report bad connection players.[/b] IMO, this is more of a data driven stats that will show up on Bungie's weekly report (if they actually have one) and do something about this. Hopefully they will realize switching to SBMM they receive a spike in bad connection report and do something about it.

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  • Signed

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  • Almost a 1000 Upvotes boys. SBMM NEEDS TO GO

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  • I wonder how many likes and comments will get them to reply... But don't worry guys they are working on a fix that will probably do nothing unless they switch it to strictly regional sb matchmaking lol

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  • Bump for to summon Deej. [u]#Summon Deej[/u]

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    • Hey, pal, guess what? Deej already explained how the Petitions don't count as official.

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    • Hell yes

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    • Signed. Normal crucible is just practice for trials and iron banner, and even those should prioritize connection over equal skill. The lag has always been bad but man lately it's been killer. Because I'm slightly above average PVP-wise (not great), I like to break out the joke weapons every once in a while (Dregs promise) and see if I can go positive. Now I'm being matched with people who aren't using joke weapons but are as good or better than me. Causing crucible to be less fun.

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    • Please bungie, I might hop in a game with necrochasm and a fusion rifle just for fun, but with all the sweatiness, I have to switch to TLW/1K stare to keep up.

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    • They should make a rank system like cs:go

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    • Lol noobs complain when fighting noobs, and try-hards complain when they lose in a fair match.

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    • It's only because of the lag.

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    • Edited by T1gg3rComp4ny: 1/25/2016 11:56:21 PM
      For a developer that has almost devoted all non-DLC post game support and love to PvP (balancing/events/etc) it boggles my mind that the basic features are still so bad. Ranked playlists are a thing - include them! Private matches are a thing - include them!

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    • Edited by Hot Tasty Grits: 1/25/2016 10:01:38 PM
      How is bungie able to judge somebody's skill if there win/loss is determined by players they can't hit or even see based on latency.

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      • Sigh

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      • i'm down

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      • I vote to continue SBMM. Give Bungie a chance to fix it. I'm 72 years old and new to gaming. I started with Destiny last January and it's the only game I play or have ever played. Before SBMM I always finished last in Crucible. My skills are never going to get better, only decline as I age and I think there are many players like me who because of age, physical disability, or just lack of skill will never be able to compete with the elite players. I know players in their 40's who never go to the Crucible because they can't compete. SRL was another place where we average players couldn't compete with the elites. When I first started with SRL (always finished last there too) I would be 1-5 seconds behind the player in front of me and 30 secs. behind the winner. Then as the elite players learned the map and took over the winning times dropped precipitously and players like me couldn't even get credit for finishing the race. So what happens? We go to the Crucible or SRL or ToO and get annihilated repeatedly and realize we will never get the kills necessary to complete Crucible bounties or quests or win the SRL race or reach the Tower. Is this fair to us? We are stifled in our ability to rank up or get certain weapons and rewards. I can't tell you how many times I have received absolutely NOTHING from a Crucible match and if I do get anything it's useless! I had a similar experience with SRL awards. I realize that the very skilled are going to be rewarded more than the average or poor player, that's the way this game and life works. But we mediocre players paid the same for the game as you elites so if Bungie feels they want to throw us a bone, I'm in favor of taking it. Should the lagging problems be fixed? Absolutely! No one should have an advantage or be put at a disadvantage due to a connection problem. Other solutions have been posted on this thread such as a ranked system of competition and dedicated servers. Anything would be better for the majority of players than to continue with a minority of the community dominating everything but PvE. Their influence there is also huge as anyone who has searched LFG looking for help can attest. You have to be +310 to be able to find teammates. I would be content just playing PvE but we are out of content. I am astounded that Bungie will have no DLC's for a year. Take your shots at me. Bring it on. I don't care!!!!!!!!! At 72 you really don't give a sh*t about other peoples opinions of you. I am always amazed at the venom and hate spewed forth on this forum. I've met many caring and helpful people in Destiny who have taken me places in the game I never thought I'd go. Unfortunately they don't come on this forum.

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        • Since yelling at my tv does no good, I think I'll just post here every time I get a red bar match. Help keep this trending.

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          • SBMM would be fine on dedicated servers, however P2P will not work, remove it for connection based games until the PvP experience changes for the better. Signed with a hope for change or the option to be added for SBMM.

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          • I don't play enough crucible to know what the actual problem with this system is. Is it lag?

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            • Get rid of that shit

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            • Remove it!!!

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