This is killing PvP for me and a lot of players in the Destiny community. [b](TL;DR is down below)[/b]
Skill based match making is matching people with "Equal" skill even if it's across continents and that just put lag on a whole new level. There should be ranked playlist and dedicated servers if they want to introduce skill-based matchmaking, so, for now, they should reintroduce connection based match making.
Crucible is so sweaty, and it requires you to give the game 100% percent concentration if you want to win a match, which just ruins the fun in playing it in the first place.
If you are in the higher ranks and want to use any other guns than the meta=RIP
If you play with play with some of your friends who aren't as good=RIP
Bungie the last two COD games tried skill based match making and have failed miserably (For example Advanced Warfare)
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[i]TL; DR= Replace skill based matchmaking with connection based matchmaking before it's too late.[/u]
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Bungie needs to listen to the community and go back to connection based matchmaking because of the Lag and crucible feeling more of a chore than it being fun. This is a casual game, and if you want it to be competitive then you got to introduce Private matches, dedicated servers and ranked playlist.
[u][b]Guys please if you agree please sign and upvote this so people can see. Leave a comment about why you also hate SBMM. If you disagree with this post or some parts of this post please leave me a detailed comment explaining why.
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If we want Destiny to be saved then we got to start somewhere important. Let your voices be heard!
(Also, tell me if there are any grammatical mistakes or any spelling mistakes)
[b]EDIT: Wow you guys are awesome! Keep signing and bumping so hopefully Bungie could see this and the many other posts out there.[/b]
[b]EDIT: Please also do not forget to Upvote or click the like button on this post so more people can see this, thank you.[/b]
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EDIT: 550+ Upvotes? Damn guys keep doing what you are doing. Bungie will have to see this. [/b]
For the people that are saying "Oh now it's competitive, wow the horror."
Then this is what I personally have to say to you
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Have you seen the crucible lately? It's latency issues are on a whole new level because of SBMM. A game like this with no dedicated servers should just stick to P2P connections which you clearly can't comprehend. I could play competitively when I want to feel like it. I organize scrims against competitive people all the time. But when I want to win matches.and have fun, I do not want to sweat and concentrate 100% for the whole watch just to have a chance at winning. It's funny if you actually think Destiny with no crucible balance, no dedicated servers, no ranked playlist, and no private matches could be competitive. [/quote]
This is gold
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The pure idiocy is they've removed the fun of occasionally having an easier or harder match. It's sweaty all the time, especially if you improve. And further proof of the idiocy is this: where is the reward system that matches the SBMM? So you're going to give people more difficult matches, but reward them with a mote of light? Pull your head out of your ass Bungie,[/quote]
By IronChalice
For the "special people" that think SBMM is fine and you the top tier players or any players should be forced into laggy games so they don't play against people close to them. Please I challenge you to go read this great post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188142897/0/0
[u][i][b]EDIT: We have around 1600+ Signatures and Bumps. Let's hope Bungie sees this. Tweet this at them. Anything. Just keep Upvoting, bumping, and signing. If you disagree, please don't be ignorant because you post. Read what I and the people in this post are saying before speaking out. I would love to hear everyone's opinion but make it detailed. [/b][/i][/u]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVAYD-jWfY A video I found on Reddit. It's an SBMM Lagtage
Best comment IMO
[quote]I'm not against skilled based matchmaking.
Especially if it was clear what skill was rated on.
Halo 3, in my opinion, had the best skilled based matchmaking, I'm all for it if it can be replicated.
In order for this to work, though, casual needs to be separated from ranked play. Casual players don't want to play hard and ranked players don't want to be sweaty all the time.
I chose when I want to go hard, and I believe the majority of the player base does the same.[/quote]
[u][b]By The Medic44[/b][/u]
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EDIT: Keep on Upvoting, bumping, sharing, commenting, tweeting, anything. Bungo needs to see this clear flaw with PvP and how this alone could kill Destiny. I don't care about the content shortage if it means I can have fun in PvP but now I can't even do that. Bungie, you are killing your own game by not listening to us![/b][/u][/i]
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EDIT: OMG 900+ Upvotes and no Bungie. BUNGO SAY SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET RID OF SBMM. The majority wants it. Guys keep doing what you are doing. We need to get 1000 Upvotes so hopefully BUNGIE can see people don't want SBMM[/b][/u][/i]
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HUGE EDIT:Guys, an update about matchmaking!
https://www.bungie.net/7_Matchmaking-Updates/en/News/News?aid=14278
Matchmaking will have more emphasis on connection starting WEDNESDAY. ONLY in Iron Banner. They will analyze that and then roll the matchmaking changes out to more Crucible playlists over time.
We have yet to see if these changes will fix the issues, but this looks like a partial win with a full win incoming at an unspecified date.
People, PLAY the EFF out if IB after Wednesday's update goes live. Let's let them know with our play time that we want the matchmaking to be CONNECTION based first, skill second.[/quote]
[u][b]By Irivingjohn 1985[/b][/u]
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1000+ Signatures and Bungie finally said something. But it's a beta test, or it would feel like it so please PLAY THE EFF OUT OF IT AND TELL BUNGIE YOU LIKE IT. THIS PETITION HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SIGNING, BUMPING, AND COMMENTING. Tell Bungie you like the new matchmaking, if you like it, please. Someone else should make a petition asking for Bungie to keep the matchmaking if it's good.
As for now I have done my job.[/b][/i]
[b]WE -blam!-ING WON BOYS AND GIRLS. LET'S GO[/b]
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Remove it!!!
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Did I say I was going to post every match there was a red bar, because now I realize I might end up spamming this thread if that were the case. Perhaps I'll go every other match.
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i'm switching over to black ops 3 pvp until this gets fixed i might still play a few games a day to mix it up, but my destiny play time is going to drop significantly Please listen to triplewrecks video, it's a great fact based logical argument that i agree with 100% we love this game which is why everyone is staying here fighting for it to get fixed
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Hey if you're pooping and you wanna waste 3 minutes I made something for you :) https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188400537/0/0
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I'm confused, admittedly, is SBMM normal skilled matchmaking or is it different, because i have being hearing people say that it is putting yo into games where you will lose. - Skill matchmaking is fine, it should not be in it's own playlist, it should be universal. - Dedicated Servers - A better skill matchmaking system - not SBMM - Problem solved.
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LOL I guarantee people would still complain about sbmm if there wasn't any lag, when players say fun they actually mean destroying noobs lol what a joke git gud
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Just go buy halo or cod if you like pvp they're both way superior.
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Edited by IWearClothes: 1/25/2016 8:39:47 PMSigning the -blam!- out of this. It's a huge mistake. Months ago I complained about the SBMM on the feedback forum only to be met with cold and salty idiocy. No one believed me. I knew it was there, though, because I went from having fun and generally dominating in Rift to literally never being able to win a game. Because I'm great at Rift, I should be punished? There is no way to rationalize the implementation of SBMM as good. There just isn't. I've said it before on the feedback forum and I'll say it again here: [u]IF YOU INSIST ON HAVING SKILL BASED MATCHMAKING, MAKE RANKED PLAYLISTS.[/u] Maybe you needed data to make ranked playlists or some such shit, but you went about it in a completely horrendous manner. Did you forget Halo 3? Don't think you really needed any data for that masterpiece of a game to have ranked playlists. Silence on your games used to be part of the Bungie charm. It worked with the old Halo community, but that's because Halo is a completely different game. The Destiny community is different, and it's not this community that needs to adapt. It's you, Bungie.
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Nerf the lag.
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Love the game, sick of the lag, sick of the glitches. Fix your stuff...
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I don't mind SBMM as long as connection was the priority, not skill
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maybe try #feedback
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Edited by Zig8383: 1/25/2016 9:15:47 PMExactly this. Every single match is soooooooo close. Doesn't make it fun at all. Gets old really really quick. Please go back. This is no fun.
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Make two types of matchmaking, Connection and skill based,So we may choose. Don't force 1 on every playlist. Bump
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I'm ok with games being tough and close. I'm just sick of the lag.
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Yep, make it a separate playlist.
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Ask yourself one thing... will lag go away? No. Will changing the matchmaking system fix lag... No. So, basically the only people complaining about skill based games are the great players who now have a hard time competing against their peers. I have no idea what algorithm Bungie uses to determine games, but it should be based on each specific Crucible event. For example... Control... Average caps per game Average kills per game Average assists per game Average deaths per game Average points per game Matching those numbers with both teams and we have a game. Let lag be lag... because you can't ever fix it. Personally, I don't experience much.
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Edited by Ghostfire239: 1/25/2016 9:47:54 PMCAN HE GET AN AMEN!!?? GIVE THIS BROTHER AN AMEN!!! (I'm not actually Christian but still...AMEN!!)
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Bump. Signed. Even though I don't play this game, I'm just curious if the "mighty" Bungie will actually respond. I'm surprised Deej or Cozmo haven't shown their faces, since they have been on a hot streak commenting on a lot of the useless posts.
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https://youtu.be/pom732meZeY SBMM BS
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I highly aprive of the matchmaking due to the fact that you need skill, not better guns. This would always give you a positive challenge.
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Nah, leave it as it, just fix your internet. Bungie is doing great.
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Just because you Write the word [i]Official[/i] in the title does not make it so. Self proclaiming your post to be the official one is not making it official at all.
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Get rid of it
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Sign and [spoiler]necrobump[/spoiler]