This is killing PvP for me and a lot of players in the Destiny community. [b](TL;DR is down below)[/b]
Skill based match making is matching people with "Equal" skill even if it's across continents and that just put lag on a whole new level. There should be ranked playlist and dedicated servers if they want to introduce skill-based matchmaking, so, for now, they should reintroduce connection based match making.
Crucible is so sweaty, and it requires you to give the game 100% percent concentration if you want to win a match, which just ruins the fun in playing it in the first place.
If you are in the higher ranks and want to use any other guns than the meta=RIP
If you play with play with some of your friends who aren't as good=RIP
Bungie the last two COD games tried skill based match making and have failed miserably (For example Advanced Warfare)
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[i]TL; DR= Replace skill based matchmaking with connection based matchmaking before it's too late.[/u]
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Bungie needs to listen to the community and go back to connection based matchmaking because of the Lag and crucible feeling more of a chore than it being fun. This is a casual game, and if you want it to be competitive then you got to introduce Private matches, dedicated servers and ranked playlist.
[u][b]Guys please if you agree please sign and upvote this so people can see. Leave a comment about why you also hate SBMM. If you disagree with this post or some parts of this post please leave me a detailed comment explaining why.
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If we want Destiny to be saved then we got to start somewhere important. Let your voices be heard!
(Also, tell me if there are any grammatical mistakes or any spelling mistakes)
[b]EDIT: Wow you guys are awesome! Keep signing and bumping so hopefully Bungie could see this and the many other posts out there.[/b]
[b]EDIT: Please also do not forget to Upvote or click the like button on this post so more people can see this, thank you.[/b]
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EDIT: 550+ Upvotes? Damn guys keep doing what you are doing. Bungie will have to see this. [/b]
For the people that are saying "Oh now it's competitive, wow the horror."
Then this is what I personally have to say to you
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Have you seen the crucible lately? It's latency issues are on a whole new level because of SBMM. A game like this with no dedicated servers should just stick to P2P connections which you clearly can't comprehend. I could play competitively when I want to feel like it. I organize scrims against competitive people all the time. But when I want to win matches.and have fun, I do not want to sweat and concentrate 100% for the whole watch just to have a chance at winning. It's funny if you actually think Destiny with no crucible balance, no dedicated servers, no ranked playlist, and no private matches could be competitive. [/quote]
This is gold
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The pure idiocy is they've removed the fun of occasionally having an easier or harder match. It's sweaty all the time, especially if you improve. And further proof of the idiocy is this: where is the reward system that matches the SBMM? So you're going to give people more difficult matches, but reward them with a mote of light? Pull your head out of your ass Bungie,[/quote]
By IronChalice
For the "special people" that think SBMM is fine and you the top tier players or any players should be forced into laggy games so they don't play against people close to them. Please I challenge you to go read this great post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188142897/0/0
[u][i][b]EDIT: We have around 1600+ Signatures and Bumps. Let's hope Bungie sees this. Tweet this at them. Anything. Just keep Upvoting, bumping, and signing. If you disagree, please don't be ignorant because you post. Read what I and the people in this post are saying before speaking out. I would love to hear everyone's opinion but make it detailed. [/b][/i][/u]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVAYD-jWfY A video I found on Reddit. It's an SBMM Lagtage
Best comment IMO
[quote]I'm not against skilled based matchmaking.
Especially if it was clear what skill was rated on.
Halo 3, in my opinion, had the best skilled based matchmaking, I'm all for it if it can be replicated.
In order for this to work, though, casual needs to be separated from ranked play. Casual players don't want to play hard and ranked players don't want to be sweaty all the time.
I chose when I want to go hard, and I believe the majority of the player base does the same.[/quote]
[u][b]By The Medic44[/b][/u]
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EDIT: Keep on Upvoting, bumping, sharing, commenting, tweeting, anything. Bungo needs to see this clear flaw with PvP and how this alone could kill Destiny. I don't care about the content shortage if it means I can have fun in PvP but now I can't even do that. Bungie, you are killing your own game by not listening to us![/b][/u][/i]
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EDIT: OMG 900+ Upvotes and no Bungie. BUNGO SAY SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET RID OF SBMM. The majority wants it. Guys keep doing what you are doing. We need to get 1000 Upvotes so hopefully BUNGIE can see people don't want SBMM[/b][/u][/i]
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HUGE EDIT:Guys, an update about matchmaking!
https://www.bungie.net/7_Matchmaking-Updates/en/News/News?aid=14278
Matchmaking will have more emphasis on connection starting WEDNESDAY. ONLY in Iron Banner. They will analyze that and then roll the matchmaking changes out to more Crucible playlists over time.
We have yet to see if these changes will fix the issues, but this looks like a partial win with a full win incoming at an unspecified date.
People, PLAY the EFF out if IB after Wednesday's update goes live. Let's let them know with our play time that we want the matchmaking to be CONNECTION based first, skill second.[/quote]
[u][b]By Irivingjohn 1985[/b][/u]
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1000+ Signatures and Bungie finally said something. But it's a beta test, or it would feel like it so please PLAY THE EFF OUT OF IT AND TELL BUNGIE YOU LIKE IT. THIS PETITION HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SIGNING, BUMPING, AND COMMENTING. Tell Bungie you like the new matchmaking, if you like it, please. Someone else should make a petition asking for Bungie to keep the matchmaking if it's good.
As for now I have done my job.[/b][/i]
[b]WE -blam!-ING WON BOYS AND GIRLS. LET'S GO[/b]
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Sign and [spoiler]necrobump[/spoiler]
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I'm all for this. Fix your game bungle.
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The lag is To much To bear
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Bump! SBMM needs to go before players start to leave. I honestly can face more sweat and more lag.
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How many upvotes and how long does this post need to stay at the second or third highest in trending before our "community managers" will actually respond? I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely sick of being lied to that these guys actually listen to us. In fact, lets make a test. Bump this comment to the top (and forget about me, because I could care less about the upvotes as far as attention goes) [u][b] It should be around lunch time on a Monday for them, so one of our managers should be in the office reading these forums at some point today.[/b][/u] [u]Let's see if these guys actually care.[/u] [i][b]Bungie, your implementation of SBMM was a huge misstep to so many of us. If you guys truly care, and truly read these forums, and truly "listen", then show us.[/b][/i] [b]RESPOND TO THE OP'S THREAD IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS[/b] [u]We're not asking for a firing squad, or the gallows. We're not asking to tar and feather you both. [/u] We want a conversation. We want to be heard. [b] We just. Want. To talk. [/b]
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BUMPERONI. SIGNORONI. PEPPERONI.
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I almost lagged out responding to this.
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Edited by Xii Alpha iiXx: 1/25/2016 9:02:23 PMi agree. connection based is the way to go. specially with the sweat. there is Iron Banner and Trials for that. Sometimes you just want to go in and have fun. (harder to do with people [i]still[/i] using thorn and felwinters lie. but thats a whole different topic
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Awe can't win in sbmm?
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It's as simple as this... Either change the matchmaking system to connection based or wave goodbye to a serious amount of pre-orders for Destiny 2... Even a region filter at the very least... None of us is expecting it to happen overnight but for the benefit of any of you bozos at Bungle that are actually reading this, I think it's safe to say that this wall of silence shit is pissing a lot of us off... You said in the weekly update there would be more transparency, well now's the time to prove it.... An acknowledgment of the issue from either of the community managers would be a start at least.
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This is the hot button topic of the moment, might as well put my 2 cents in: I have no problem with SBMM, in regards to the purpose of it. Playing better comp only makes you better, and occasionally, you still get easy games, all the games arent 'sweaty' as yall say. The issue i have with it, like others, is the lag. The lag is horrible. If they could somehow fix/work on the lag, i say leave it as SBMM. If they cant, switch it back to CBMM. I'd rather have games with better connections than better comp. According to the weekly, it seems for the near future they are going to leave it as SBMM and try to work on the lag. Which is cool since they just recently made the switch, so give them a chance to make it better. If after awhile it doesnt improve, then they should make the switch back.
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No?? Ok so Deej? Cozmo?? Where r u guys?? ;(
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Just get rid of the lag
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I left destiny for halo 5 . I hope they continue ignoring the community do u guys finally stop playing this shitty game
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We are almost at 2k replies yet no deej or cozmo sighted. Do they even care about the community as to drop a sentence letting us know they acknowledged that sbmm is a problem.
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Guys I'm sure they've seen it. I'm sure all of Bungie knows how much the community hates it. Don't think it's gonna change much
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Sign because of the lag, I get a headshot then they still have time to kill me, then the headshot finally registers
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Edited by THEUNDEAD565: 1/25/2016 7:51:18 PMWhen more and more lobbies can be mistaken for United Nations meetings cateredby Skittles, we have a problem. This SBMM would not be a problem if it was an optional choice. Hell, it wouldn't even be [b]needed[/b] if they added private matches for people who wanted to sweat and play their friends or other top players. The problem is: they forced it down upon us. In an enviorment like Trials and Iron Banner: so be it. Those are the competitive playlists where you expect to play some good players. The normal crucible is just that though... its supposed to be casual fun which they absolutely trashed and threw straight out the window. I mean, look at any casual game that forced SBMM... it was utterly trashed by the community and everybody hated it. Black ops 3 game it for what... 24 hours before they switched it back to CBMM because people were in an absolute uproar? The PvP side of the game is suffering and now the PvP side will die. Bungie is making damn well sure that they kill this game before The Division comes, so we all have no regrets or fear of switching over.
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I've been battered on crucible since this came in, Destiny must think I'm the dogs bollocks lol, I really aren't.
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Signed. It would be awesome if they could implement settings like they had in Halo Reach where you could base the search for matches off of things like skill, connection, region, etc., so that you could customize the search to prioritize to your own wants and needs in match-making.
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It is called STAT RIGGING. It makes the games less skill-based than they have ever been.
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Agree 100%. I also cannot stop watching that vid haha: http://youtu.be/OHVAYD-jWfY
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I hate DeeJ and I hate Luke smith. That's all. [spoiler]I don't care if anyone bitches about this comment[/spoiler]
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Sign because of lag
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Edited by Zenith: 1/25/2016 7:38:15 PMLet's get things cleared up for the toddlers here: if you are new to the game, or only play crucible on rare occasions, then you deserve, yes, DESERVE to be stomped on. This isn't the special olympics, and you aren't getting a handout or participation medal. You aren't entitled to win matches, or get a good K/D. You have to earn that by improving and playing more and more. If you don't like it then TOUGH SH*T BOY. 90% of you little f*ckers who support SBMM are whiny, mentally adolescent mouth breathers who barely play crucible at all, yet still talk in these forums like you're all-knowing and all-seeing. Hey squirt, just because you played an hour of crucible last tuesday does NOT mean that you have any experience with it, or know anything at all about how it should function. Most of you don't even understand what SBMM is, but you still act like you do and try to talk technical to people who actually know a thing or two about the subject. You know nothing, and your opinion amounts to nothing. Get educated before trying to engage in a debate about something. "Lol this guy's salty af." Yea I am. I'm mad at you kids who talk like you know everything when you really don't know jack sh*t. You remind me of some of my middle school classmates years ago who would try to talk about politics or business, but really they were just repeating sentences that they heard their parents say. Stop acting so immature and use some common sense.
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