This is killing PvP for me and a lot of players in the Destiny community. [b](TL;DR is down below)[/b]
Skill based match making is matching people with "Equal" skill even if it's across continents and that just put lag on a whole new level. There should be ranked playlist and dedicated servers if they want to introduce skill-based matchmaking, so, for now, they should reintroduce connection based match making.
Crucible is so sweaty, and it requires you to give the game 100% percent concentration if you want to win a match, which just ruins the fun in playing it in the first place.
If you are in the higher ranks and want to use any other guns than the meta=RIP
If you play with play with some of your friends who aren't as good=RIP
Bungie the last two COD games tried skill based match making and have failed miserably (For example Advanced Warfare)
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[i]TL; DR= Replace skill based matchmaking with connection based matchmaking before it's too late.[/u]
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Bungie needs to listen to the community and go back to connection based matchmaking because of the Lag and crucible feeling more of a chore than it being fun. This is a casual game, and if you want it to be competitive then you got to introduce Private matches, dedicated servers and ranked playlist.
[u][b]Guys please if you agree please sign and upvote this so people can see. Leave a comment about why you also hate SBMM. If you disagree with this post or some parts of this post please leave me a detailed comment explaining why.
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If we want Destiny to be saved then we got to start somewhere important. Let your voices be heard!
(Also, tell me if there are any grammatical mistakes or any spelling mistakes)
[b]EDIT: Wow you guys are awesome! Keep signing and bumping so hopefully Bungie could see this and the many other posts out there.[/b]
[b]EDIT: Please also do not forget to Upvote or click the like button on this post so more people can see this, thank you.[/b]
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EDIT: 550+ Upvotes? Damn guys keep doing what you are doing. Bungie will have to see this. [/b]
For the people that are saying "Oh now it's competitive, wow the horror."
Then this is what I personally have to say to you
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Have you seen the crucible lately? It's latency issues are on a whole new level because of SBMM. A game like this with no dedicated servers should just stick to P2P connections which you clearly can't comprehend. I could play competitively when I want to feel like it. I organize scrims against competitive people all the time. But when I want to win matches.and have fun, I do not want to sweat and concentrate 100% for the whole watch just to have a chance at winning. It's funny if you actually think Destiny with no crucible balance, no dedicated servers, no ranked playlist, and no private matches could be competitive. [/quote]
This is gold
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The pure idiocy is they've removed the fun of occasionally having an easier or harder match. It's sweaty all the time, especially if you improve. And further proof of the idiocy is this: where is the reward system that matches the SBMM? So you're going to give people more difficult matches, but reward them with a mote of light? Pull your head out of your ass Bungie,[/quote]
By IronChalice
For the "special people" that think SBMM is fine and you the top tier players or any players should be forced into laggy games so they don't play against people close to them. Please I challenge you to go read this great post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188142897/0/0
[u][i][b]EDIT: We have around 1600+ Signatures and Bumps. Let's hope Bungie sees this. Tweet this at them. Anything. Just keep Upvoting, bumping, and signing. If you disagree, please don't be ignorant because you post. Read what I and the people in this post are saying before speaking out. I would love to hear everyone's opinion but make it detailed. [/b][/i][/u]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVAYD-jWfY A video I found on Reddit. It's an SBMM Lagtage
Best comment IMO
[quote]I'm not against skilled based matchmaking.
Especially if it was clear what skill was rated on.
Halo 3, in my opinion, had the best skilled based matchmaking, I'm all for it if it can be replicated.
In order for this to work, though, casual needs to be separated from ranked play. Casual players don't want to play hard and ranked players don't want to be sweaty all the time.
I chose when I want to go hard, and I believe the majority of the player base does the same.[/quote]
[u][b]By The Medic44[/b][/u]
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EDIT: Keep on Upvoting, bumping, sharing, commenting, tweeting, anything. Bungo needs to see this clear flaw with PvP and how this alone could kill Destiny. I don't care about the content shortage if it means I can have fun in PvP but now I can't even do that. Bungie, you are killing your own game by not listening to us![/b][/u][/i]
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EDIT: OMG 900+ Upvotes and no Bungie. BUNGO SAY SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET RID OF SBMM. The majority wants it. Guys keep doing what you are doing. We need to get 1000 Upvotes so hopefully BUNGIE can see people don't want SBMM[/b][/u][/i]
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HUGE EDIT:Guys, an update about matchmaking!
https://www.bungie.net/7_Matchmaking-Updates/en/News/News?aid=14278
Matchmaking will have more emphasis on connection starting WEDNESDAY. ONLY in Iron Banner. They will analyze that and then roll the matchmaking changes out to more Crucible playlists over time.
We have yet to see if these changes will fix the issues, but this looks like a partial win with a full win incoming at an unspecified date.
People, PLAY the EFF out if IB after Wednesday's update goes live. Let's let them know with our play time that we want the matchmaking to be CONNECTION based first, skill second.[/quote]
[u][b]By Irivingjohn 1985[/b][/u]
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1000+ Signatures and Bungie finally said something. But it's a beta test, or it would feel like it so please PLAY THE EFF OUT OF IT AND TELL BUNGIE YOU LIKE IT. THIS PETITION HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SIGNING, BUMPING, AND COMMENTING. Tell Bungie you like the new matchmaking, if you like it, please. Someone else should make a petition asking for Bungie to keep the matchmaking if it's good.
As for now I have done my job.[/b][/i]
[b]WE -blam!-ING WON BOYS AND GIRLS. LET'S GO[/b]
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All the games I've played has come down to the wire a lot, I like to relax and shoot most of the time. Stress shouldn't be applied to games and leisure time. For all those who have productive lives with real careers and families understand. Not all of us in the Destiny player base have trust funds and smoke weed and live in our parents basements and free time to perfect crucible skills. Totally bump this post, connection based matches and improved servers would Balance out individual competition appropriately. 50% matches played with your own SB and 50% matches vs weaker players or vice versa is all I'm asking for........
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I've enjoyed playing better people but a red bar every game? That has yo show up in their stats
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Great post and articulate, well done mate. Trials was horrific this weekend because of the lag issues. My team just gave up and grinded the bounties as red bars, hits not registering and seemed like v same team every other match. That map only highlighted the problem with its design flaws. Even regular crucible used to be fun to chill and play to win but not get stressed. Now every game feels like it's do or die. Not remotely looking forward to Banner and used to be the highlight. I'll give it a go but can predict rage everywhere coming and drop outs and one sided matches. The nature of Rift being 100% needing to be team based and focused won't help and will discourage single players. Please don't ruin Banner Bungie! Hate to say it but only answer maybe to take out the disc and put something else in and it's up to Bungie to earn our trust again before we put it back in. With no new PVE content the game relies on PVP now. Solutions listed all over this post and I agree we need Private matches and connection based matchmaking. Not confident anything will change but from the comments elsewhere a huge amount agree.
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I dont understand why there hasnt been any replies from bungie yet??? any studio would have reacted to at least one of those skill based matchmaking removal petitions/topics but nope not bungie
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Signed. Please remove it before IB tomorrow.
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lol just like advanced warfare they didn't want to remove SBMM so their game died. Then they had to add stupid supply drops everyone month
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[b][i]Sign Below To Support Year One Content [/i][/b] --------------------------------------------------- https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/187861052/0/0
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I'm a Warlock not a Wizard. Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump
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Here's the thing its pretty complex Im sure to incorporate dynamic matchmaking systems this late into a games cycle. So if its a choice of SBMM or none I'd rather have it removed. Plus to consider this game to have any skill when the Mida has absurd aim assist, snipers are better if you swipe across the screen instead of actually aiming, and the last word hip firing up close to hope for kills is ridiculous. There is no real legitimate skill in this game because the meta changes too drastically to truly get an accurate representation. If someone is a beast as a shotgun user in year 1 then they nerf shotguns to crap, I'm gonna be put against try hards who are great with TLW and snipers? Its not very smart tbh.
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Even though I don't have anything to do with SBMM, I gave it a like since it passed 1k likes.
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Go vote on it: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188402707/0/0
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Signed Save the connection, screw the skill
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