While I think it's quite silly as well, I believe it's their right, just as I believe women can have a group with no men. And it would never even enter my mind to say "that's not right", because to me there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. That really is a great way to live. Think about it this way, how about a group for only Italian sport bikes, or how about one for only planes and no helicopters? Doesn't seen so silly then, does it? The same can be said about a group for only Jews, or only Black people or, dare I say, only White people, etc. Obviously, I have a big problem with people and ideals that include "let people play with you how [b]they[/b] want, not how you want". Imagine setting up a card game and stipulating the rules that you want to play by, then someone comes along and says I want to play my way. Fine, set up your own card game. Patriotic? No, maybe that came out wrong. Just referring my ideals, and the country I'm in shares and cherishes those ideals (for now), and that it's nothing strange, or even wrong. And we would fight tooth and nail against the imposition of beliefs that cater to "everyone gets coddled" or "everyone gets a trophy" ideals. Yeah that was a bit heavy, but I think you know what I'm getting at. You want it, you work for it, ie, start your own (raid) group with whatever stipulations or lack thereof you want, don't impose your own will on others. Sorry for the book I just wrote, I just have strong beliefs here.