not arguing that, just pointing out that keeping the pve playerbase around without dropoff between expansions doesnt seem possible to me. i think there just tying to keep who they can here with a minimal effort and hope marketing can bring there pve players back when new content is ready. i do think they could make some of these minimal effort changes to pve and save some of their pve playerbase. better chances for max light weapons/armor in the raids. up the level of vog/crota, bring the armor forward and add new guns to acquire(they can use guns already in the game or just give engrams) and put all the stikes in one playlist(standard 36 list would work great and save their current lineup for heroic). coming up with a b.s. quest line once a month or so wouldnt be that hard either. recycle the maps, give the boss a name and drop an item. done. i also cant believe theres no in game lfg. I think moving forward all primaries should have a burn, way better solution than just removing it.