[quote][quote]How can ones life possibly be ruined by not smoking? I also am not talking about anything like vape or that new fangled stuff the kids these days are doing. Thats completely different.[/quote] Anything? Genetics to start... Also that's entirely relevant. How is it not? Explain. Maybe it's because it takes away all the tied stigma to marijuana that your propaganda had?[/quote] I can easily say the same things you say "pot helping diseases is all propaganda" see how easy that is? Now do i think it can help? Sure, not by much but I have no reason to argue against that besides that it is very rare to use for said purpose. I am not talking about vape or the new ways to make pot safe because I know nothing about that. If it takes away all the negative effects cool, but until I read about it from a source other than you I wont be making an opinion on it. I am only talking about the pot that has been the same for like the last 50+ years (you like that made up number?) and that is grown is some shady guys back yard.

[quote][quote]An example: Parkinsons disease. And anything that can fundamentally change who you are as a person or leave you in a vegetative state. Pot is very minor in that regard.[/quote] My grandfather had Parkinson's. Others have AIDs- are you telling me that it's okay to put down the drugs these people may take to feel sane and "not dying"? Well it's fine if they take it- but you don't realize the stigma that you're perpetuating? These people already have enough to deal with and now they have to deal with even more like not getting themselves/their friends raided because they smoke? You don't see that being an issue? Over the counter drugs also alter our chemical states of the mind- for an interval of time like every other drug. Hell... eating unhealthy does this too(changes your brain's chemical and hormonal balances). The isse is abuse [b]when you alter it to the point that you mind hasn't ever been given a chance to recover[/b] Go swallow all your Benadryl or any over the counter drug- if you survive go swallow/smoke/try to kill yourself with the same gram for gram of pot. You physically can't. The drugs in your house right now are more harmful and do the exact same thing as pot in regards to altering your mind. I'm sure you may have one bottle of wine- that'll kill a kid immediately. A whole pound of pot? One stoned [i]but living[/i] kid. [i][u]So your logic is flawed.[/u][/i][/quote] My grandfather currently has parkinsons and he doesnt remember me or most of the family. That is worse than death. Pot does not kill stop bringing that up. I ahvnt said anything to imply that. What drug do people with hiv use to feel sane? Certainly not pot and I am not talking about medicincal purposes I am only talking about recreational use ao that doesnt matter In the first place even if sonebody Is using that for said purpose. Leave medical applications out of this discussion. Edit. Yes it is an abuse issue.

I agree completely and I'd hope the cops aren't breaking down doors just to nab weed smokers in their house. I've just seen to many kids in this neighborhood get initially hooked on weed, then it progresses to other drugs, and before you know they're in and out of jail, and in the case of 2 of my son's friends, dead.

[quote][quote]Things worse than death? So are you saying that addiction is worse than death? Well I've never seen anyone addicted to marijuana. Again old antiquated thinking. If someone uses marijuana and gets addicted to something else you guys love to call it a "gateway" drug. I love this one. If you have addictive personality you will have problems with anything you get your hands on. You people just make marijuana out to be the one that started it all for them When in fact it could be anything from booze to Dr. Prescribed opiates.[/quote] You love speaking for others dont you? I have not said a single damn thing you are trying to argue against. Pot only does 2 negative things. 1. It changes your personality: you can tell within 5 minutes of talking to someone if they are a pothead. I will not go into the details but a lack of motivation to do anything is one common thing. There is also a difference between being a pothead and sometimes doing pot its all in the amount. 2. It kills brain cells: this reduces your IQ, attention span, and memory. Not by a whole lot but it does happen. These are the facts. Weigh the risks and rewards and decide for yourself if getting high for no reason is worth it. And If you want to get into a morality discussion "getting high or doing anything to feel pleasure for pleasures sake" is wrong by definition (thats fact but you can easily argue that morality doesnt matter) but lets not get into that here. Seriously though dont bother commenting on that I am not getting into that discussion. Anything that changes who you are is worse than death parkinsons disease is one example. Is pot that bad? No, I never said it was. You are just taking things other people say and assuming I will say them as well instead of actually reading my words. EDIT and pot is far more addictive than alcohol.[/quote] That's all propaganda and you can read about this frankly anywhere. I'm not gonna sit here writing essays on things widely accepted by scientists worldwide[spoiler]and not politicians, imagine that! [/spoiler]. Of course it changes people? If I smoke I could be thrown into a dungeon and ruin my entire life, so to enjoy it smokers hide away. That's your faulty system and propaganda working, not the pot itself- for instance you could replace pot with anything there and achieve the same effects. Your argument is extremely outdated and ignorant.

Yes pot is more of a mental issue. But its very hard to actually become an alcoholic (again thats a loose definition but I hope you understand the basic idea of what I am trying to say) It takes more alcohol to become addicted physically or mentally than it takes somebody to become addicted to pot whether physically or mentally. If you think otherwise feel free to say but I doubt you will convince me otherwise based on what I have read and heard in various places. However again alcohols effects are far more pronounced.

Then you are not a pothead and have done just enough to not have noticable issues. I dont think you are in the majority. But if you do it everyday it can cause issues. Its all in the amount. And some people have more willpower than others in regards to being able to quit.