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3/6/2016 2:27:58 PM
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Because 1 grenade can almost 1 shot and entire team.
Enter trials, play against 3 warlock ls with said perks equipped.
It becomes very difficult difficult
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I can't even count how many times I lost on my 8th win because of 3 stupid warlocks just spamming grenades and rushing -_-
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The same can be said about 3 nightstalkers with their wombo combo. So are you saying wombo combo is op?
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Edited by Nate: 3/6/2016 2:46:20 PMRequires two charges, with specific perks. Not a single grenade. Pls go.
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[quote]Requires two charges, with specific perks. Not a single make grenade. Pls go.[/quote] But firebolts dont take away radar, cut movement speed, blind you visiually AND do damage. Its called trade off idiot. Firebolts take two perks. Boom. Now both arnt op with your logic. Your turn.
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So fireball is just like using a melee and a granade charge... But then you still have flame shield? So fire bolt op wombs combo not.... Boom
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[quote]So fireball is just like using a melee and a granade charge... But then you still have flame shield? So fire bolt op wombs combo not.... Boom[/quote] Im not even sure you know how to english properly.. I never said firebolt is using both.. smh. I said that wombo combo trades off using BOTH Charges to do MORE then a firebolt can. Flame shield is 50 extra hp. Literally 1 bullet from any gun (besides autos) will break it. Plus you have to be within range of it. Let me know the past time you had a warlock firebolt you AND hit you with a melee. <--- btw.. ANY MELEE AND GRENADE hit will kill you. Im not calling either op. All im doing is saying if you call firebolts op, thennyou have to admit wombo combo is. Ba-Boom. Your turn.
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First I meant after you use fire bolts you still have a melee wombs combo you don't so your saying that a hunters melee and granade together is op as I think by the sounds of it that would make sense, now fireball is let's say like thorn was pre nerf it hits hard and burns you until your almost dead and if you get rushed there's little you can do, now take that but it is capable of hitting 3 enemy's and doing the same. Now flame shield idk why you don't think that it's a lot of help? It's not 50 it's an extra shield?
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[quote]First I meant after you use fire bolts you still have a melee wombs combo you don't so your saying that a hunters melee and granade together is op as I think by the sounds of it that would make sense, now fireball is let's say like thorn was pre nerf it hits hard and burns you until your almost dead and if you get rushed there's little you can do, now take that but it is capable of hitting 3 enemy's and doing the same. Now flame shield idk why you don't think that it's a lot of help? It's not 50 it's an extra shield?[/quote] Flameshield gives you the equivalent of 50 extra hp as a shield.. as in it only takes 1 high impact bullet to break the shield. Do you understand now? Did you just compare thorn to firebolts? Gtfo. You are really an idiot. It only does 157 TOTAL DAMAGE. if you think thats alot of damage then you might want to nerf incendiaries, fusions, magnetic, lightning, storm and skip grenades cause they all do more damage. I understand that it takes a melee and a grenade to use the wombo. I get that. I hve a hunter and know how to press RB/LB. Firebolt) Does 97 initial damage and 60 DoT damage. Causes burn damage that can take you out of a fight for a bit. Wombo Combo) Does enough damage to kill you. Takes away your radar. Blinds you visually. Cuts movement speed by 50%. 4-1 As in the wombo trades having to use a melee to get 3 more effects that firebolts dont have. You bring up that a warlock would have its melee and hunter wouldnt but you dont see that if i tag a hunter with firebolt as he wombo's me AT THE SAME TIME.. i cant see, i move super slow, im taking damage the whole time im stuck AND my radar is gone. All the hunter has to SHOOT ME and im dead. If that hunter gets close enough for me to melee him then he sucks l, no matter what, as in it doesnt matter what subclass is involved.
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honestly...I rather get hit by the wombo combo because if you survive that...The hunter has to have MAX Dis and Max Strength to get his wombo combo back... Where as a Warlock on needs Max Dis...The Firebolt Grenade is better than to have than wombo combo...I am sure heck of a lot of hunters would trade for that grenade.
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Edited by Jet The Pirate: 3/6/2016 3:09:11 PMThat grenade only does 157 damage. 34 more then only ONE tag by a lightning. It does less then incendiaries (that have burn), fusions, and magnetics. Ever fought a max str/disc w/sealed ahamkara grasps? 3 grenades all at 25 second intervals? All im saying is that its not op, no matter how you spin it.
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Your math is flawed. It takes 29 seconds for a melee to charge at max str. It then takes 58 seconds for the second melee to charge. Since the second charge takes twice as long to charge.
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It really is though. It's the same argument as thorn, in that it prevents regen, and it's very unavoidable, unlike the Lightning grenade. If you compare it to its arc counter part, the damn thing does like 60 damage and no lingering damage, but they are essentially the same mechanic. Stop relying on your favorite grenade and own up to the fact that it's stupid good. Shouldn't matter anyway because bungo loves warlocks too much to nerf them
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[quote]It really is though. It's the same argument as thorn, in that it prevents regen, and it's very unavoidable, unlike the Lightning grenade. If you compare it to its arc counter part, the damn thing does like 60 damage and no lingering damage, but they are essentially the same mechanic. Stop relying on your favorite grenade and own up to the fact that it's stupid good. Shouldn't matter anyway because bungo loves warlocks too much to nerf them[/quote] Lightning grenades do 122 per tag for around 8 pulses. Get your info right. Own up? Why dont you learn to counter or adapt? Heres the thing, you take firebolt away and ill still wipe the floor with you. The grenade has no effect on my skill set. Just because YOU cant see that they are only good in situations doesnt mean they are too good.
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I'm talking about arc bolt. Regardless, I could curb stomp you. I've carried teams through trials numerous times. I don't care about grenades, I just play. I am however aware of what is good
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[quote]I'm talking about arc bolt. Regardless, I could curb stomp you. I've carried teams through trials numerous times. I don't care about grenades, I just play. I am however aware of what is good[/quote] With what? Your 298 warlock? LOL. You havnt done trials since august. Im so done. Plus your stats are boosted by the fact you only have 1000 kills in trials. Im well aware of what is good, i just dont think its op. Probably because i dont have an issue beating warlocks like you do.
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I don't have an issue beating them. I'm fine playing them. It's more obnoxious than anything. Just every aspect of the subclass is annoying and slows down the game.
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Edited by Mercenary1914: 3/6/2016 3:14:08 PMIf you read my freaking comment...I never said it was OP. I am referring to your comparison to the wombo combo. it is better to have than the wombo combo... The grenade it self is easier to use. You dont even have to land it directly on someone. Once you toss it...you only have to get off a few shots. The wombo combo requires faster twitch skills you have to use BOTH melee and grenade charge...Which ruins your intellect to be on par with warlock. Once again...It is better than wombo combo...NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT
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Edited by Jet The Pirate: 3/6/2016 3:27:53 PM[quote]If you read my freaking comment...I never said it was OP. I am referring to your comparison to the wombo combo. it is better to have than the wombo combo... The grenade it self is easier to use. You dont even have to land it directly on someone. Once you toss it...you only have to get off a few shots. The wombo combo requires faster twitch skills you have to use BOTH melee and grenade charge...Which ruins your intellect to be on par with warlock. Once again...It is better than wombo combo...NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT[/quote] No. Im sorry, youre confusing facts with opinions here now. Im sorry YOU feel/think that way. It really shows your inept ability to counter or adapt. I have no problems wiyh firebolts. Why? Because i always bait them when i know im up against them. What happens when a sunsinger has no firebolt? They are now "defenseless". I use defenseless because guess what? Sunsingera never got this negative attention untill crimson doubles. Yes people bitched about firebolts before; hence why they do less damage and have less range then they did in year 1. I guess 157 damage is alot for you to take.. better stay away from 3-4 other nades'. [spoiler]muted for in ability to debate properly[/spoiler]
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dude what the heck are you talking about you are probably that guy that argues the best QB in history wrong. For example if I said Joe Montana is the best QB, you would get offended if you think Peyton Manning is. This isnt about my ability to counter the grenade. This isn't me complaining about the firebolt grenade. I will never ask for a nerf of any weapon or ability in this game. It is what it is. I deal with whatever the current META or current way the game is. I am a PVEr. I am not some petty crybaby life is unfair diehard PVP player. I am only saying...I would rather have the firebolt grenade over the wombo combo...because I am mediocre at PVP....The firebolt would be an easier crutch to have over the wombo combo....Takes less skill to use, and doesnt take much away from intellect This is only thing I am saying.
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Why does it matter when all you play is patrol? Foh you bum.
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um..are you sure you are talking to the right person...lol. I play the raid more than anything. patrol my ass.
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Ehh you raid a little, still spend the most time on patrol. your crucible experience is -blam!-ing comical, and isn't that what we're discussing?
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[quote] This isn't me complaining about the firebolt grenade. I will never ask for a nerf of any weapon or ability in this game. It is what it is. I deal with whatever the current META or current way the game is. I am a PVEr. I am not some petty crybaby life is unfair diehard PVP player.[/quote] That quote is directly from me...You are like being all big shot about something I already mentioned. I think you are offended with me for no reason...I never said that firebolt is op..never said it should be nerfed.. I think you are confusing me with someone else but replying to me...I dunno
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Edited by Mercenary1914: 3/6/2016 6:21:44 PMscoott who are you clicking on? Click on me...I dont play patrol..it's like 4th on my list...I play crucible more than patrol and that is very small.
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[quote]Why does it matter when all you play is patrol? Foh you bum.[/quote] Lol. Everyone gets an opinion bruh.
