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3/6/2016 2:56:10 PM
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honestly...I rather get hit by the wombo combo because if you survive that...The hunter has to have MAX Dis and Max Strength to get his wombo combo back...
Where as a Warlock on needs Max Dis...The Firebolt Grenade is better than to have than wombo combo...I am sure heck of a lot of hunters would trade for that grenade.
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Edited by Jet The Pirate: 3/6/2016 3:09:11 PMThat grenade only does 157 damage. 34 more then only ONE tag by a lightning. It does less then incendiaries (that have burn), fusions, and magnetics. Ever fought a max str/disc w/sealed ahamkara grasps? 3 grenades all at 25 second intervals? All im saying is that its not op, no matter how you spin it.
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Your math is flawed. It takes 29 seconds for a melee to charge at max str. It then takes 58 seconds for the second melee to charge. Since the second charge takes twice as long to charge.
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It really is though. It's the same argument as thorn, in that it prevents regen, and it's very unavoidable, unlike the Lightning grenade. If you compare it to its arc counter part, the damn thing does like 60 damage and no lingering damage, but they are essentially the same mechanic. Stop relying on your favorite grenade and own up to the fact that it's stupid good. Shouldn't matter anyway because bungo loves warlocks too much to nerf them
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[quote]It really is though. It's the same argument as thorn, in that it prevents regen, and it's very unavoidable, unlike the Lightning grenade. If you compare it to its arc counter part, the damn thing does like 60 damage and no lingering damage, but they are essentially the same mechanic. Stop relying on your favorite grenade and own up to the fact that it's stupid good. Shouldn't matter anyway because bungo loves warlocks too much to nerf them[/quote] Lightning grenades do 122 per tag for around 8 pulses. Get your info right. Own up? Why dont you learn to counter or adapt? Heres the thing, you take firebolt away and ill still wipe the floor with you. The grenade has no effect on my skill set. Just because YOU cant see that they are only good in situations doesnt mean they are too good.
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I'm talking about arc bolt. Regardless, I could curb stomp you. I've carried teams through trials numerous times. I don't care about grenades, I just play. I am however aware of what is good
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[quote]I'm talking about arc bolt. Regardless, I could curb stomp you. I've carried teams through trials numerous times. I don't care about grenades, I just play. I am however aware of what is good[/quote] With what? Your 298 warlock? LOL. You havnt done trials since august. Im so done. Plus your stats are boosted by the fact you only have 1000 kills in trials. Im well aware of what is good, i just dont think its op. Probably because i dont have an issue beating warlocks like you do.
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I don't have an issue beating them. I'm fine playing them. It's more obnoxious than anything. Just every aspect of the subclass is annoying and slows down the game.
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Edited by Mercenary1914: 3/6/2016 3:14:08 PMIf you read my freaking comment...I never said it was OP. I am referring to your comparison to the wombo combo. it is better to have than the wombo combo... The grenade it self is easier to use. You dont even have to land it directly on someone. Once you toss it...you only have to get off a few shots. The wombo combo requires faster twitch skills you have to use BOTH melee and grenade charge...Which ruins your intellect to be on par with warlock. Once again...It is better than wombo combo...NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT
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Edited by Jet The Pirate: 3/6/2016 3:27:53 PM[quote]If you read my freaking comment...I never said it was OP. I am referring to your comparison to the wombo combo. it is better to have than the wombo combo... The grenade it self is easier to use. You dont even have to land it directly on someone. Once you toss it...you only have to get off a few shots. The wombo combo requires faster twitch skills you have to use BOTH melee and grenade charge...Which ruins your intellect to be on par with warlock. Once again...It is better than wombo combo...NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT[/quote] No. Im sorry, youre confusing facts with opinions here now. Im sorry YOU feel/think that way. It really shows your inept ability to counter or adapt. I have no problems wiyh firebolts. Why? Because i always bait them when i know im up against them. What happens when a sunsinger has no firebolt? They are now "defenseless". I use defenseless because guess what? Sunsingera never got this negative attention untill crimson doubles. Yes people bitched about firebolts before; hence why they do less damage and have less range then they did in year 1. I guess 157 damage is alot for you to take.. better stay away from 3-4 other nades'. [spoiler]muted for in ability to debate properly[/spoiler]
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dude what the heck are you talking about you are probably that guy that argues the best QB in history wrong. For example if I said Joe Montana is the best QB, you would get offended if you think Peyton Manning is. This isnt about my ability to counter the grenade. This isn't me complaining about the firebolt grenade. I will never ask for a nerf of any weapon or ability in this game. It is what it is. I deal with whatever the current META or current way the game is. I am a PVEr. I am not some petty crybaby life is unfair diehard PVP player. I am only saying...I would rather have the firebolt grenade over the wombo combo...because I am mediocre at PVP....The firebolt would be an easier crutch to have over the wombo combo....Takes less skill to use, and doesnt take much away from intellect This is only thing I am saying.
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Why does it matter when all you play is patrol? Foh you bum.
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um..are you sure you are talking to the right person...lol. I play the raid more than anything. patrol my ass.
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Ehh you raid a little, still spend the most time on patrol. your crucible experience is -blam!-ing comical, and isn't that what we're discussing?
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[quote] This isn't me complaining about the firebolt grenade. I will never ask for a nerf of any weapon or ability in this game. It is what it is. I deal with whatever the current META or current way the game is. I am a PVEr. I am not some petty crybaby life is unfair diehard PVP player.[/quote] That quote is directly from me...You are like being all big shot about something I already mentioned. I think you are offended with me for no reason...I never said that firebolt is op..never said it should be nerfed.. I think you are confusing me with someone else but replying to me...I dunno
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Edited by Mercenary1914: 3/6/2016 6:21:44 PMscoott who are you clicking on? Click on me...I dont play patrol..it's like 4th on my list...I play crucible more than patrol and that is very small.
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[quote]Why does it matter when all you play is patrol? Foh you bum.[/quote] Lol. Everyone gets an opinion bruh.
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Honestly, everyone shouldn't. Stupid, inexperienced people have nothing to base their opinions on, which is why they all ban together around here to make noise.
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Edited by Mercenary1914: 3/6/2016 6:06:13 PMEveryone should have an opinion especially when it is about bottom line..."Revenues" There has to be a balance between the casuals and the die hards. If you want this game to last long...you NEED us casuals to stick around. Like I said...I am not for nerfing or buffing or complaining...but you do want the PVP aspect of this game be balanced as much as possible to keep the casuals in pvp...after all you guys get to beat up on us!
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I wouldn't even consider myself a die hard, but I play on every class equally and give myself an opportunity to learn the pros and cons of every single subclass. And I KNOW for a fact that 99% of the people on the forums complaining do not. It's a joke. Have your opinion. It's still wrong. And most of the whiners still don't know a damn thing about balance In The crucible whether that be guns or abilities.
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Dude I agree with this....I am not sure why you are attacking me... you are some internet keyboard thug or something....
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[quote]dude what the heck are you talking about This isn't me complaining about the firebolt grenade. I will never ask for a nerf of any weapon or ability in this game. It is what it is. I deal with whatever the current META or current way the game is. I am a PVEr. I am not some petty crybaby life is unfair diehard PVP player. I am only saying...I would rather have the firebolt grenade over the wombo combo...because I am mediocre at PVP....The firebolt would be an easier crutch to have over the wombo combo....Takes less skill to use, and doesnt take much away from intellect This is only thing I am saying.[/quote] You implied in earlier comments that firebolt is better then wombo. You didnt add the last paragraph in your previous arguments. When you added that it made more sense to me where you are coming from. I can understand that alot more. When i started trying to become better at the crucible firebolts did help me come out on top but ONLY when I lead with a grenade OR if i was about to die i could toas a nade at them and trade. But when i faced skilled players it never worked. They always batied my grenade and then rushed. Remember, warlocks are the clunkiest of all classes so if you got an advantage against them push with it and youll succeed. My bad bro, it felt like you were implying one was better then the other/one was op, i was trying to state that both do exceptionally well in certain situations but when both teams are equally skilled, one is not better then the other.
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Overall fire bolt is miles better than wombs combo don't kid yourself please actually use your head
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yea man..I am not good at PVP...I am only telling you how us crappy players think. I am just tired of hearing crappy players ask for nerf...at the same time...I hate when good players act like it's not that great... firebolt is a damn good grenade..so is wombo combo...but my shitty ass would rather deal with wombo combo and I would rather have the firebolt... And you are right warlocks are clunky...I look at the firebolt grenade more of a defensive strat vs offensive. Hunter can shade step his ass away from shit...the warlock can use the firebolt grenade to get the opponent to back track.
