Not nearly as BS as Destiny. Remember the Gally how it took some people over 2k+ hours to get one OR not to get one. Destiny is too much of a grind. Also another thing is games like the Division and Destiny need to have some what of a grind(every game has grind) it's just that Destiny went overboard on that. You got your opinions about the game and I respect that but saying it is gonna be some grindy bs is silly to say. Unless it is anything like Destiny's grind then I will cancel my preorder.