[quote]First I meant after you use fire bolts you still have a melee wombs combo you don't so your saying that a hunters melee and granade together is op as I think by the sounds of it that would make sense, now fireball is let's say like thorn was pre nerf it hits hard and burns you until your almost dead and if you get rushed there's little you can do, now take that but it is capable of hitting 3 enemy's and doing the same. Now flame shield idk why you don't think that it's a lot of help? It's not 50 it's an extra shield?[/quote] Flameshield gives you the equivalent of 50 extra hp as a shield.. as in it only takes 1 high impact bullet to break the shield. Do you understand now? Did you just compare thorn to firebolts? Gtfo. You are really an idiot. It only does 157 TOTAL DAMAGE. if you think thats alot of damage then you might want to nerf incendiaries, fusions, magnetic, lightning, storm and skip grenades cause they all do more damage. I understand that it takes a melee and a grenade to use the wombo. I get that. I hve a hunter and know how to press RB/LB. Firebolt) Does 97 initial damage and 60 DoT damage. Causes burn damage that can take you out of a fight for a bit. Wombo Combo) Does enough damage to kill you. Takes away your radar. Blinds you visually. Cuts movement speed by 50%. 4-1 As in the wombo trades having to use a melee to get 3 more effects that firebolts dont have. You bring up that a warlock would have its melee and hunter wouldnt but you dont see that if i tag a hunter with firebolt as he wombo's me AT THE SAME TIME.. i cant see, i move super slow, im taking damage the whole time im stuck AND my radar is gone. All the hunter has to SHOOT ME and im dead. If that hunter gets close enough for me to melee him then he sucks l, no matter what, as in it doesnt matter what subclass is involved.