The fact that you keep droning on about Warframe being "pay2win" either shows you've never really actually played it and are going by things you've heard people say, or have played it but not enough to fully understand how it works. Also, "Prime rewards program", what? What is a Prime rewards program and how do I become a part of it? Primes are better, upgraded versions of older weapons (though for whatever reason sometimes Prime weapons are literally objectively [i]worse[/i] than their normal counterpart, lmao) which one can achieve by grinding the location/gametype they've been assigned to. Prime Frames, AKA essentially Prime characters for those who do not know about Warframe, are usually just visually different with an added polarity on their mod slots and one or two stats slightly buffed up (For example, Frost Prime has a higher shield capacity compared to normal Frost). I do have to mention that DE has the awful habit of stuffing almost all new Prime stuff in T3 Survival, meaning getting the new stuff you want becomes awful because of how much unwanted loot you get, since loot drops every 5 minutes in a survival. In a way, I do see why you think Warframe is "pay to win", and it's an easy and understandable misconception. Immediately when people grind the materials for a new weapon or item, and hit "build" button in the Foundry, they notice that they don't get their new goodies immediately - they have to wait for it to build, and the time varies depending on what type of thing you're building. But wait, there's a "rush" button - but it costs plat (the microtransaction currency of WF)? Wow, this game is pay to win! The thing here is, it's free to play. That is just another way for DE to make money from an otherwise free game. If people want to buy plat and support the developer, they can go right ahead - but plat is never [b]needed[/i] for anything, unless we're talking about cosmetics. Cosmetics are in no way required and give no power to the player, as usual. "But certain weapons are much stronger than others and you can pay for them with plat to get them instantly!" - If people choose to do that, more power to them. Considering how expensive plat is, however, and considering they could've just had the patience to build the thing and patiently wait for it, maybe play some other games while it builds and come back later, it's not exactly something I'd call smart. Platinum can also be fairly easily acquired by trading rare mods, prime parts, etc. with other players for plat. On top of this, we have to consider what kind of game Warframe is - it has tons of Frames and weapons at this point. In a game with as many weapons and frames as Warframe, there's bound to be a "meta" in which some weapons are far superior compared to the rest. No matter how DE changes their game, there will always be those few guns and frames that are favored over others. Sound familiar? Oh, right, [i]hello Destiny.[/i] Going back to the "Prime Rewards Program", I assume you're talking about the option to purchase the latest Prime gear in one huge bundle with real money. Yeah, that's a thing - but frankly, you'd be insane to just go ahead and casually buy one with the price it has. I can't remember the exact price right off the bat, but the current Prime Access pack featuring Saryn Prime and some other stuff is like, what, 150€? That's ludicrous, and again, it's only something I see people buying if they reeeeeeally want to support the developer. Do keep in mind that I intend no malice - I'm trying to be informative more than anything. I speak as someone who has played Warframe for two years, and over that time, I've only spent 30€ on the game (and even those only when I've gotten Platinum discounts from login rewards) to buy a few cosmetics because I wanted to support DE and their game.

Ironic how dumb you are. Your satire on how little destiny has provided in months, and you use warframe structure about maintaining endgame content as a flaw? I have 10 weapons building at a time. I have something to look forward to. Not do nightfall for motes of lite. Warframe has tons of characters and weapons and pets and ships, it's too dynamic for some peeps so I understand.

How exactly is it ironic how dumb I am? Seems you have a short fuse and love blowing up defending your korean anime warrior games too much. [quote]Your satire on how little destiny has provided in months, and you use warframe structure about maintaining endgame content as a flaw?[/quote] What? Lol Warframe is a massive gigantic grindfest that takes many, many more hours than Destiny. It isn't for most people, I personally find it repetetive grinding over and over and over again for 100000 hours, Warframe amplifies Destiny's grinding to another level entirely, easily one of the most grindiest games to play other than skyforge. Which took like freaking 3 weeks to unlock another character class, wooo. There is no defending pay to win content, Destiny so far doesn't have it and Warframe has had it for quite a while some time. Someone just getting into the game can just buy everything right off the bat, and not only that they are the best versions of the items too. Some even exclusive to the cash shop. [quote]Warframe has tons of characters and weapons and pets and ships, it's to dynamic for some peeps so I understand. [/quote] All purchasable content too, so dynamic you can just straight up buy it. More money = more power for warframe.

All games are a grind, it's the point and again, dumbass! So for you to complain that warframe has too much to grind then in the next sentence 'you don't have to grind, just buy it all', which is it? Again how ironically stupid you are. Warframe IS free to play, plain and simple, DESTINY IS NOT. So you couldn't be more stupid, seriously. I gladly buy platinum for 2 reasons though. 1 to support the developers for making an outstanding game where I'm never bored and 2 I have money to spend on garbage like that lol.

It is a grind on top of being pay to win. You have to buy the equipment and then level it up on top of it. Have you even played Warframe? They even release those prime packs with exclusive stuff to try and get people who are willing to grind that long for even more money. f2p with pay to win models are considerably worse than a game where you buy it and adds microtransactions later, p2w completely ruins any competetive atmosphere for a game. Which Warframe never really had one to begin with, it was just PVE content with Pay to win right from the get go. In Warframe a person just playing the game can buy better equipment than someone who has grinded the game since release, they don't have to work for the equipment other than leveling up cutting the grinding to a minumum, which can be pretty much excluding to leveling up warframes and equipment. Not to mention the advantages of paying for other stuff, heck the more I remember it there was a literal metric crap ton of stuff you can just bypass by buying stuff.

I'm done discussing something with you that your oblivious to. Your right Warframe is the Devil. It will take all $37 of you lifesaving dollars. Run. Ps Platinum just buys the blueprints you still need to farm resources, build, level, aquire credits by playing etc. There's something called an "algorithm", it's not as simply as your brain wants to think. What do you want to do when you get older? Learn cogent logic for your contemporary rhetoric kido

[quote]How exactly is it ironic how dumb I am? Seems you have a short fuse and love blowing up defending your korean anime warrior games too much. [quote]Your satire on how little destiny has provided in months, and you use warframe structure about maintaining endgame content as a flaw?[/quote] What? Lol Warframe is a massive gigantic grindfest that takes many, many more hours than Destiny. It isn't for most people, I personally find it repetetive grinding over and over and over again for 100000 hours, Warframe amplifies Destiny's grinding to another level entirely, easily one of the most grindiest games to play other than skyforge. Which took like freaking 3 weeks to unlock another character class, wooo. There is no defending pay to win content, Destiny so far doesn't have it and Warframe has had it for quite a while some time. Someone just getting into the game can just buy everything right off the bat, and not only that they are the best versions of the items too. Some even exclusive to the cash shop. [quote]Warframe has tons of characters and weapons and pets and ships, it's to dynamic for some peeps so I understand. [/quote] All purchasable content too, so dynamic you can just straight up buy it. More money = more power for warframe.[/quote]

Yep, truth every word of it bro. Pay2Win = Turrible game

[quote]Yep, truth every word of it bro. Pay2Win = Turrible game[/quote] What's the first thing you have to do to beat Destiny the Game? BUY IT Bro, you literally must be the smartest person you know. I honestly feel bad for you. You might at well have down syndrome.

That is like saying buying any game is pay to win lol. Like, you buy The Division and because you bought it you can get the equipment. No that isn't what pay to win is, pay to win is having the option to gain in game equipment, stat buffs, grind cuts, exlusive weapons all of which are available in warframe and none of which in Destiny. Buying the ticket doesn't mean you will succeed. Warframe allows you to buy success. Which is retarded for all games with a competetive atmosphere, takes any level of fair play out of the equation.

Great destiny called there newest prime access pack 'the taken king' and forced everyone to pay for everything you just said, Ie people with just prison of Elders can win kings fall raid because they don't have the access/ gear... simply Destiny is better at making you rats work more for less. Destiny has beautiful stunning affects, but I dedicate years into games and Warframe is the first I've seen with this amount of content. I'm thankful for the timers too,

-blam!- I recked da fkk outta you! Where are you now? Quick loading warframe? Join my clan scrub Ps got u silent af