[quote]Not really an argument though, the joker was controlling superman he didn't hold back at all. ------ He was as he is faster then light and could have literally just moved his head out of the way. ------ Second batman was obviously surprised superman was there, he has contingency plans especially for him but with the justice buster suit it's pretty much a stall for everyone. ------ Meaning? He still had it as his contingency and it failed. ------ I dunno after reading that I got the sense that batman dropped superman.[/quote] ------ Because superman was not mentally stable due to the Joker gas.