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3/18/2016 10:21:41 PM
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No. For the love of God, all you White Knights seriously need to shut the hell up and just go away while the rest of us who actually value our time and money keep railing Bungie for their half-assed work.
Bungie has essentially gotten away with murder and set some very bad and dangerous precedents for the gaming industry that I hope won't be encouraged any further. Now The Division is out and has outsold Destiny - in fact it's Ubisoft's fastest selling game ever - and they are panicking because people are leaving enmass and enjoying a game that mostly does right what Destiny did wrong. More than likely Eric Hirshberg is looking at the numbers and demanding Bungie finally do some actual work and put out a "free" update to keep people playing and talking about Destiny.
And let's be perfectly clear here. This update is not "free". Everything up until now that we've paid for, before virtually every remaining Bungie founder left and the game fell into limbo and had to be restructured at the last minute, was supposed to be part of the original $60 package. The Taken King disc itself is literally just an access code for the files. So on top of paying for 3 fake DLCs (2 of which were in the data files of the base game) you also have the money they've raked in from microtransactions.
Destiny cost roughly $140 million to make, with approx another $140 million spent by Activision promoting it. Within the 1st week of the game's release, they pulled in nearly $400 million in sales and TTK broke all kinds of records. So yeah, they have plenty of cash on hand and given all the negative PR and even guys like TripleWreck publicly voicing our collective frustration, it's no surprise they're marketing this as a "Free" update. It's little more than lip service, throwing a bone to appease the angry masses.
Contrast this again to The Divison, which is already pumping out 2 big free updates for april and may (incursions and some new PvP mode who's name I forget) along with promised regular content updates, swift patches and a lot of extra content for season pass holders (Destiny's saved you $5 on stuff that should have been included anyway).
TL;DR Bungie is reaping their own whirlwind here and I for one am loving it. Not because I want to see them crash and burn (Activision yes, Bungie no) but because maybe this will finally be the wake up call for them to get their act together and make Destiny the fun, epic Sci-Fi it should have always been. I hate on Bungie because I care about this game and they're a developer I've been fond of since Halo CE, not because bashing Destiny is trendy and there's a world of difference.
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Taken King drastically improved the game but they still got more a ways to go
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Although I may agree or disagree with some of your points, +1 respect points for making a well thought out post.
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The divisions "free content" is literally the end game being given to you a month later and marketed as "free dlc". Hell you can say that trials, kingsfall, srl etc were all free dlcs...
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I bought The Division and its boring as hell.
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I got a shiny new copy of Destiny 2 on the fact that the update for the Division is already on the disc. Where is the outrage?
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The only thing i'm gonna say is, wait before making assumption on the "Free" Updates of The Division my friend, they could be worse than Destiny's ever were. You don't actually know what you're getting yet, so don't use it as a valid arguement.
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Plus let's be honest, Ubisoft is barely better than Activision when it comes to screwing over their player base and milking every last penny out of them.
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Yea I remember Unity
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Oh I'm not praising Ubisoft here at all, I'm praising Massive. Big difference. Ubisoft is a pile of crap fairly often (I still have nightmares about the atrocity that was Heroes Might & Magic VI, including the name change) but so far The Division has been getting timely effective updates and despite my initial gripes with it I'm still enjoying it with friends. I don't give anyone a free pass these days. Virtually every developer I used to admire and love has in some form or another either let me down or directly hosed me (Capcom and Bungie being top of the list currently) so I prefer to maintain a position of skeptical optimism. That is, expect the worst and hope for the best.
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I mean, it's been out what, a week?
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Yeah and they've already done some balance patches and updated the daily mission system etc. etc. See Bungie? This is what happens when you don't make a ridiculous engine that you can barely work with just so that your game runs on both old and new hardware.
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To be fair, this is about when Bungie dropped a damn near perfect raid for us. Division is doing a lot right, but don't get (too) caught up in a recency bias
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I'm not, and also that's one of the biggest tragedies of Destiny. Aside from the cheesy exploits (like pushin the bosses) the Vault remains a prime example of how to do a Raid properly (at least until they added the random element ot Atheon and the raid got glitched all to Hell). Was hard as balls, required no tonly teamwork and gear but honest to goodness SKILL and it was (mostly) rewarding, including the best primary in the game. For a good while, there was a massive difference between players who had completed the vault and players who hadn't and I miss that. The weapons were a little too generally good (compared to Crota guns which were niche but strong at what they did) but otherwise fine and I ranted about this at lenght in my mega-thread but it's what I want to see more of. Legendary gear, just like exotics, should present the player with meaningful choices based on the situation/task at hand and not just be some gear you default to.
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Excellent point and I completely agree. Everything about the vault from the drops to the encounters just felt right. I was fine with the drop rates (at least for guns, armor is another story) because they all felt unique and worth the time and effort it took to get them. I think all Destiny players are ok with a long painful grind as long as there's something worth getting at the end
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It's the Hype man, it makes us forget.
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Right? We'll sour on the division soon enough. Hope dark souls is out by then
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Praise the sun x3 !!!!!!
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You should be proud God agrees with you.
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Edited by The Fighting Lion: 3/19/2016 10:25:47 PMGot away with murder?...........it must hurt to be you. The same with everybody similar to yourself. It's a -blam!-ing game. Take it for what it is and find something to enjoy about it, or don't. Continuous outcries, year after year, about the massive disappointment, shitty business model, bad management of time and resources, misplaced focus etc. has gotten really -blam!-ing old....as in a long time ago. There is no grassroots movement to fight machines like Activision, so good luck with that. Great dev studios and publishers are still out there holding themselves to certain standards. They are few and far between on console...and ubisoft/division is, by no means, a good example. You say you value your time and money and in the same breath, act as if this is exclusive to you. I pay them money for a certain type and level of entertainment. It goes no further than that. I, like any reasonably intelligent person, do not expect gold from bungie, at this point. And if you do, I feel sorry for you. IF YOU ARE SO BROKEN UP OVER A GAME OR HOW ITS BEING MANAGED, then you should set it th -blam!- down and save yourself the obvious pain its causing you
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This post is a prime example of why the game industry is steadily going down the shitter. Eating shit and being satisfied with it like the good little sheep he is.
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Exactly my point, I'm just old enough to remember the days when Nintendo used to slap their (literally) Gold seal on games which basically meant that the product you were buying was prime material. I also remember the days when games like Diablo etc. (thankfully Blizzard is still good on this front mostly) would churn out regular, FREE updates to their games at their own time and expense. I'm not implying that I'm against DLC by the way, not all content should be free and these guys need to make a living but there just doesn't seem to be that same level of commitment and enthusiasm there used to be in the industry. The videogame industry is becoming [i]too Hollywood[/i], i.e. all about the money and not the art, and that just galls me on every conceivable level. The fact that people blindly put up with it is even more disgusting, and it's why I actually miss those days as a little kid when I would get teased for playing video games. At least back then developers actually gave a rat's ass about quality content and how that would reflect on them from a PR standpoint. Now it's all pre-order hype and marketing and shipping broken games because they can just get patched and who cares if the user scores are low so long as the reviews are decent and they secure a bunch of pre-orders because guess what folks - once they have your money they don't owe you jack. I think the most painful thing to admit to myself, is that Destiny will never be what Final Fantasy XI was (to me) and yet I keep hoping for it. Hoping for a game that will have great lore, story, a wide variety of gameplay and social interactions to keep me hooked for years. And I bitched * a lot * for the 9 years I subscribed to that game but even through the worst of it, when all hope seemed lost during the dark days of rampant inflation thanks to Chinese RMT flooding the markets and botting, I kept believing in Square Enix and was largely rewarded for it. Had similar experiences with FF14 as well, with the 2-year restructuring process (though I'm not entirely happy with how that game turned out it's still largely positive) and at this point I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of of this epic projects going pear-shaped but at least in the previous 2 examples, their respective dev teams and parent company actually gave enough of a damn to maintain and fix their games. The impression I get from Bungie is one of pure avarice and apathy. Luke Smith's all the proof we need of that. Destiny has everything it needs to be sci-fi that can mix and in some ways beat out games like Mass Effect and Borderlands and I very much want to see that.
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You should look into indies. They hold their own against "Hollywood" games. We recently just got the Witcher, Bloodborne, Super Mario Maker, Rocket League, and will soon get No Man's Sky. A wide range of games, small to big companies, all successful.
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Not the biggest fan of Indie games to be honest though I've played a few that were pretty damn good and some others I very much want to try but don't have a working PC currently, such as This War of Mine. At least Darkest Dungeon is coming to PS4 soon.
