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Edited by oomn.agent: 3/23/2016 11:43:43 PM
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Why Oryx doesn't Pancake us (Lore Wise)

A topic a couple of weeks ago (couldn't dig it up, if you have the link post it in a comment and I'll add it) There was a post about why in the Oryx raid fight why the Taken King doesn't just use his considerable bulk to just squash us like an ant, rather then all of that seemingly pointless and over complicated attacks he uses. Today I will attempt to answer that. To begin with I have to clarify why Oryx's Grimoire and in-game power-levels are so different. Oryx and the rest of the hive receive their powers from a deal they struck with the Worm Gods [quote]Take into your bodies our children, our newborn larvae. From them you shall obtain eternal life. From them you shall gain power over your own fragile flesh: the power to make of it as you will. And should you find an imperfection in the world, an injustice or an inconvenience — you will have the power to repair it. Let no mere law bind you. We ask one thing in exchange, oh Princes. You must obey your nature forever ... If you do(n't) , your worm will consume you. And as your power grows, oh Princes, so will your worm’s appetite. [/quote] -Yul: Book of Sorrows Verse 1:9 Basically, eternal life for eternal hunger, and as they conquered it became apparent that no one being could no longer satisfy the Hunger of their Worm [quote]My worm’s hunger grows faster than the might I draw from it. We are bound by our covenant to obey our nature: eternal search. Eternal cunning. Eternal conquest. But as we do this, my siblings, we feed our worms. And the more we feed them, the hungrier they grow. Faster and faster. Soon, my siblings, we will be so mighty, and our worms so hungry That not with all our might could we possibly feed them. And we will be devoured. WHAT CAN WE DO? [/quote] -Auryx (Oryx): Book of Sorrows Verse 3:4 The eventual solution was that all lesser hive give their energy to the Ascendant Hive though a Tithe (Tax) so that they could survive [quote] And thus the tribute will flow, up the chain, so that Savathun and Xivu Arath and myself will be fed by a great river of tribute, and we will use that excess to feed our gods, and to study the Deep. Thus all worms will be fed — as long as we continue our crusade. This is my law. I carve it thus, in ruin. Aiat. [/quote] -Oryx: Book of Sorrows Verse 3:9 Basically a gigantic Pyramid scheme, the Hive keep Killing, Oryx's worm is satisfied and his power builds eternal, seemingly unstoppable, as long as the momentum persists. But the Guardians changed that, we have been killing the hive, wiping out their ranks and reducing the Tithe, which weakens the higher-ups, in turn making them more vulnerable, the momentum thus swings in our favor [quote]Where is my son? Where is Crota, your lord, your princely god, your godly prince? Tell me no lies! I feel his absence like a hole in my Stomach. Where once his tender tribute whetted burrowed mouths, Now only hunger remains. [/quote] -Oryx: Grimorie Card Oryx, the Taken King The single greatest blow to this was the Warpriest, any transfer as large as the Hive's Title has to be managed, Lesser hive direct Worship to Shrines of Oryx, the Shrines all feed to the Court of Oryx on the Dreadnought where the Warpriest controls and presents it to Oryx and the other Ascendants [quote] to Oryx, King of Taking Tithing to his Lord, that the First Navigator might escape the need to kill for subsistence, the worm need That He might use His power to lead the final work A most faithful servant. Most faithful. [quote] Grimoire Card: The Warpriest Killing the Warpriest breaks the chain, while there are skill millions of Hive and Taken that praise Oryx, their Tithes no longer reach him, his food source is dry, and his ever-hungry worm begins to turn on him. Therefore before we even kill his daughters (whom I imagine were trying to repair the chain) Oryx is in deep s**t to put it mildly, and when we face him he is weaker than he's ever been as Oryx. So why not end the fight quick? Because the Worms bargain is very specific, they asked something specific of Oryx (Aurash at the time) when they made the Bargain [quote] In your immortality, Aurash, you may never cease to explore and inquire, for the sake of your children. In your immortality, Xi Ro, you may never cease to test your strength. In your immortality, Sathona, you may never abandon cunning. [/quote] -Yul: Book of Sorrows Verse 1:9 Sathona/ Savathun must deceive to survive, Xi Ro/Xivu Arath must constantly fight & kill but Aurash/Oryx has to explore and inquire; This is separate to Sword Logic which was introduced later in Verse 2:6, just killing the Guardians that challenge him won't feed the worm, this is now about more than Vengeance for Crota, this is about survival. To demonstrate all that he has discovered Oryx must prevail with Science, with magic, with Technologies that he has fashioned, skills that he has learnt, the killing song, taking, Doxology, what exactly doesn't matter but it has to be complex, it has to be something that needed exploration or inquisition to use, a kill with Brute Force will mean his end as well as the Guardians. Any comments and criticism are welcomed and if people are interested, I'll make a follow-up topic about the Light-Eater Ogres and their part in all of this. Edit: Q&A now available here https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/197566236/0/0
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  • Edited by untouchableboy: 3/23/2016 3:50:30 PM
    It seems like a plausible theory, but I have a few follow up questions: The quote for the warpriest only seems to indicate that the warpriest also gives tribute to oryx, and that by his tribute, Oryx would no longer need to kill for subsistence. However, Oryx also recieves tribute from all of the rest of the Hive, including crota, he indicates that all thrall keep enough to feed their worm and a little to grow, and gives the rest to their acolyte. The acolytes do the same to their knight/wizard, who do the same but are given the option to keep a little extra "as much as they dare" to speed their growth, but the more they keep, the more they become a target to the rest of the hive and the sword logic, and the rest goes on to the hive ascendent which have the same rules as the knights, and then the rest goes to Oryx. This dude is getting tribute from literally his entire species. and other than Crota and the daughters there are still many more ascendant hive, so (crotas brother, for instance) Eris morn describes that Tolands journal indicates he witnessed many Hive horrors in the ascendant realms. he describes in the book of sorrows that his worm is so big even feeding it a planet would not satisfy it, so I m not sure us killing a small handful of hive (considering how vast the lore makes them out to be. (this is what I take from the fact that Cayde says its only been us rising to face the greatest threats of the darkness, we're only one city of people, fighting against massive races, and if it werent for the fact that said massive races are all fighting each other our little city might be toast)) and a few ascendant kills should be nowhere near enough to put Oryx in shit creek without a paddle. What do you make of this? Other than that though, Oryx will always have to explore and inquire in everything he does or his worm would stop sustaining him, this is true with or without the tithe given to him by the warpriest. So I can get him using strange means of fighting, but at the same time, in the Story Mission Regicide, he just fought by slamming us with his sword and sometimes draining our supers and eventually teleporting us into a different room (which can arguably be seen as the "explore and inquire part" I get that) However, why does this fight need to be any more complicated? I mean Oryx is described as having inverted his own throne world to fit into his dreadnaught, so why not let him uninvert his throne world and pancake us by bending space time, surely that is something more worth the curiosity of someone like Oryx than generating bombs and eleporting us into sword worlds and making a weakness for himself that can be exploited (like the relic) More importantly why doesnt Oryx take guardians, he's able to take anything else in the universe provided its weakened (except for dregs apparently)? The lore describes him as being his crazy all powerful being that is the 'eater of worlds' [i]yeah, worlds, with an 's'[/i], so why not take us when say, our shields are down? I think the point that we guardians complain about is that the mechanics at Oryx cater to the guardian, and nerf's Oryx' described powers to make the fight possible, all while bungie makes it a little complicated.Now if there was some kind of mechanic where our light's power increased to rival that of this Hive God, I can see that making this raid more interesting. It's like Crota who allegedly killed thousands of guardians with his sword, and he goes and sends out the one sword that can damage him with a bunch of ads? I mean it's stupid and impractical. (This is why VoG is bae-raid, btw, no such mechanics). Oryx is described as being capable of so much that generating some bombs and teleporting shit around should be like another day at the beach. he doesnt show us the power worthy of being a God. In my opinion. Also, going back to your earlier point Edit 1: Oryx does not just take servans of the darkness but also servants of the light such as the fallen, if you look in the grimoire you can see that there was a relationship between the traveler and the fallen, as indicated below: [quote]The unfairness of it makes him want to roar. Why does everyone else have this patronage? Why do the Hive have gods and the Vex have sprawling time-bent minds and the Cabal have reinforcements? Why do the Awoken whisper to the stars and listen for the whisper back, the voices from the Jovians, the song in the dark? Why do the Guardians get the Great Machine's blessing, was it like that before the Whirlwind, were there Fallen heroes crowned in Ghosts who strode the battlefield fearless and full of Light? Why do they tell stories about reclaiming the lost glory of humanity, and no stories about the lost glory of Variks' people, the House of Judgment that once kept codes of dignity and law? - See more at: http://destiny-grimoire.info/#Collection-Fallen[/quote] They had their own golden age once, when their society ruled like kings, but then they lost the "Great Machine" in "the Whirlwind", and now the Traveler has come to us. the fallen are simply trying to get it back, indicating their association to 'ether' or the Light. Soooooo If Oryx can take them he should be able to take us too Side Note: This is why the fallen are my favorite race, they're the underdogs who fight and claim what they can on the basis of their own strength alone, and are still able to compete with the patronized hive, vex, cabal, and guardians

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