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Edited by Jet The Pirate:
3/25/2016 10:58:27 PM
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Sunsingers op?!?! If so then so are nightstalkers.
Okay, so ive seen alot of posts about Sunsingers and how "op" they are and its getting annoying.
Lets compare the infamous firebolt with the hunters "Wombo combo".
[u][i]Firebolt[/i][/u]
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- Does a TOTAL of *** damage, not enough to kill even the lowest of armored guardians.(SEE EDIT)
-Has DoT for around 12 seconds (some say 14, some say 10)
-Firebolt has an 8m radius in which it tags.
[b][i]EDIT[/i][/b]
[quote] [b][i][u]I just tested it and got the clip. When its active in around 10 mins ill post the link.
Initial tag for 85 damage.
11 ticks of 7 for DoT.
85+77 is 162.
My bad, i was off by 5.
This was tested on the lowest armor build a voidwalker can run.[/u][/i][/b][/quote]
[u][i]LINK TO FIREBOLT TEST http://xboxclips.com/Jet+The+Pirate/5c204455-581f-454f-b4ad-0bee431986b3[/i][/u]
Good for crowd control and good defensive technique. Does allow "tracking" by watching the DoT BUUUUUT warlocks are the slowest and clunkiest race so it is harder to chase the enemy. <---- thats called trade off. Warlocks can be situationally amazing and of course they will be harder to kill.. its a defensive subclass and is built that way.
[u][i]Wombo Combo[/i][/u]
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-Takes away radar
-cuts movement speed by 50%
-does damage
-blinds the enemy visually
-locks abilities, supers, charged melees and jumps
^-----thats just the "Smoke" portion of the grenade.
Their void grenade choices all do damage and can visually impair other guardians trying to see or shoot through it.
BUT wombo requires both grenades to be thrown to be 100% effective. Dont forget how they [i]can[/i] be thrown virtually simultaneously.
Its trade off. If the hunters had all of that in just ONE grenade then theyd actually be op.. but they aren't.
TL;DR
[b][i][u]Neither are op and excel in certain situations better then other subclasses. But if you proceed to call one of them op in anyway then you HAVE to consider the other one as such.[/u][/i][/b]
[b][i]Edit: So it seems alot of people are misunderstanding my point.
Im NOT saying firebolt and wombo is the same style or do the same things. What i AM saying is that most who consider firebolt "op" due to just its DoT must thrn consider wombo as "op" because wombo has 4 times the effects on an enemy and while it does take 2 charges, its also on a character that is faster then warlocks, has access to an evade and keen scout.
You cant consider something op due to one fact while ignoring classes that have alot of advantages similar in concept.[/i][/b]
[b][i][u]Edit:[/u][/i][/b] [b][i][u]Alot of people keep saying that firebolts leave you at one shot. My response:[b][i]how many other grenades do that? It doesnt matter HOW they do it, just THAT theydo it.[/i][/b] [/u][/i][/b]
[u][i][b][u]EDIT: SUNSINGER OP? CHECK THIS SHIT OUT.
https://youtu.be/VM-SwPcMIwE[/u][/b][/i][/u]
Its just as strong imo.
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3 RepliesThis is what's wrong with the community. "IF I'M GETTING NERFED SO ARE YOU!" Grow the -blam!- up. [spoiler]also both are fine[/spoiler]
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Viking Funeral just needs an adjustment to where it does double the burn damage instead of making you burn for longer. That is literally all that needs to happen to Sunsingers. Sunsingers are not OP, Viking Funeral is and was always OP. Nightstalker smoke could use an adjustment as well to where it doesn't cancel out your grenade and melee charge (player doesn't feel as hopeless) and the shadestep glitch should be fixed. Balance achieved, hopefully.
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You really wrote all that on a subject no one could give a -blam!- about but Whiney 10 year olds? Fair play.
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5 RepliesEdited by sergantsnipes05: 3/28/2016 9:47:39 PMWombo combo is using a melee and a grenade. The melee charge with envemoned does less total damage than all the other charged melee abilities. All of them. I don't get the crying that a SMOKE grenade blinds you or slows you down. Go get hit by any other classes melee and grenade at the same time and see what happens. Oh, that's right you die. Firebolt gives an auto targeting grenade that can leave an entire 3 man team absolute for 10-14 seconds while letting you track them. Nightstalker can get a few players on heavy if they are close enough to the center of the smoke and are in the grenade damage range which requires you to have both your grenade and melee up while landing both of them at the correct distance in order to get them stuck in the smoke to allow for the grenade to do damage. Nightstalker is anti sunsinger class and you really need to look at is that they have the worst PVP super in the game and the worst selection of grenades of any subclass. Wombo combo is good if you are accurate with it. I consider myself to be a pretty good player and most of the time I don't get the wombo just right to actually get the kill. There is a skill gap.
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1 ReplyHey [b][i][u]I[/u][/i][/b] didn't bitch about Sunsingers being OP.
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1 ReplyEdited by EmoSceneRawrXD: 3/29/2016 2:19:30 AMI bet most people here have never even heard of this "wombo combo" unless you're referring to the smash bros thing (which you aren't)
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4 RepliesBump everything is op! WE NEED BUFFS NOT NERFS MAKE THIS GAME GREAT AGAIN FOR US PVE PLAYERS!
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6 RepliesTitans are just sitting back and watching the forums burn
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15 RepliesI don't care what they buff or nerf, however, the reason people complain about it is not the amount of damage. It is how long it can put you out of combat. If it was about damage then the titans overcharge melee would be getting all of the attention with its 180 damage at once. But no one cares. One sloppily placed grenade shouldn't be able to take away the enemies combat effectiveness for that long of a period of time.
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1 ReplyNo....Titan Shoulder Charge is OP....unlimited, no real recharge time...Gunslingers should get unlimited knives and Warlocks unlimited void melee to compensate.
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3 RepliesLove the tags. "Situationally Amazing" is easily the greatest phrase I've heard in weeks.
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1 ReplyThank you for looking at both sides of the spectrum and realizing that they are both not op and more situational
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1 ReplyFaith in forums a little restored. This guy gets it. Celebrate your class divergence. Some classes are better at some things than yours. Your classes are better at some things than others. It is time this "OP" crap to stop.
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1 ReplyBoth are op, nerf both of them 👍
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12 RepliesI like how as of late Sunsingers are now Overpowered. I've been using this 'OP' build since I maxed out the Sunsinger subclass back in week one. You know what I never heard back in year one? People complaining about it being too good. But now people are complaining well after the Firebolt nerf? K.
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2 Repliesthey are too
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2 RepliesI use warlock, stick people with firebolt, watch it not kill, then get one hit melee by hunter. Every ability in this game is broken. At least for me. I even got video recordings of shoulder charging with Titan, not getting kill, and being a one shot melee hit by Titan. I only rely on guns. Everything else is broken.
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16 RepliesSunsingers haven't changed at all since vanilla. All of a sudden they're OP. Snipers haven't changed at all since vanilla. All of a sudden they're OP. Heavy ammo has been nerfed since vanilla. All of a sudden it's OP. People on these forums are the most pathetic whinging little bitches you'll come across. No wonder Bungie takes so long to make any changes, it's impossible to decipher what actually needs balancing and what is the latest bandwagon whinge on here.
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9 RepliesI don't like firebolts because you only have to hit with 1 bullet after a nade, and you have so much time to do it, until they Regen their health . And their melee is so good.
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1 ReplySo you bring the facts showing they are OP but argue that they aren't? Which side are you on?
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4 RepliesWhile I can honestly say neither are "op" the warlocks sunsinger class is better than the hunters nightsalker class. And the firebolt schorch melee combos is deadlier than the wombo mombo everyone thinks is effective.
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3 RepliesIm a titan main but lately ive been on my hunter doing quests and i had a hard time doing the 20 void grenade kills. Wombo combo n all. I dont see it as op but thats just me
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1 ReplyI have yet to die from this wombo combo you nerds speak of. But burning to death, time and time again I find myself burning from the most random firebolt grenade
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2 RepliesFirst of smoke grenade does not do the same amount of damage as a firebolt grenade. The only time you actually get a kill with the wambo combo is if your enemy is stupid. Literally all you need to do is jump 2-3 and then your out of the smoke and grenade. One thing that can change though is the damage over time on both firebolt and smoke, that I am ok with. The warlock is still the most over powered class at the moment because it can get an overshield without even actually killing the enemy, they need to change that so overshield activates only on kill. They also need to change warlock jumps cuz they're garbage :/
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1 ReplyThank You! Someone who isn't a complete idiot
