Personally it was when some people starting playing in the house of wolves released. Was playing with a group that claimed they knew how to do the entirety of VoG. How I wish so much that this had been true. Now before I start, I do not mind teaching others, what I hate is dishonesty and what these people do afterwards. So it starts out normal, we get the spire up pretty easily and I am thinking "This is going well" few people sparrowed themselves right into the first pit, but I have seen people do that for laughs anywho. Then we got to the first set of confluxes and this is where things went wrong. They didn't know you had to keep the vex away from confluxes and they didn't know that you had to stay out of the yellow/green substance that the fanatics leave without cleansing yourself afterwards. I asked what happened assuming a few were an accident and sometimes the vex did magically teleport to the confluxes without warning. The response was priceless and nearly made me quit right then, but I like helping people. "Well we were hoping you would tell us what to do since you have done this before", I sighed and covered my head for a few minutes then continued on, giving them advice and leading them. We wiped a few times, but they eventually got the hang of it (forgot to mention this was hard mode as well so it really didn't make things easier). Oracles went a lot smoother, and we only wiped once, but they templar fight was when they really shone, only 2 died and we still got him before he enraged. I was thinking that this was going to be easy as they learned fast. We got the gorgon chest (some lucky SoB got a Gjallarhorn before I did again) and entered the maze....this is where all hell broke loose again. Most of them argued about which way to go, how the gorgon reacted, some even insisted on fighting them .We wiped 10 times in the gorgon's maze before they finally stopped and listened again. I was happy when it was finally over, but tempers were starting to run a bit high by this time including my own. Once again, we were lucky to get past the jumping maze pretty quickly, but soon trouble would rear it's ugly head once more. Once everyone had gathered, I told them we were going to open the door and shoot at the hydra known as The Gatekeeper with snipers and then as soon as it is down we would run left and do like we did with the spire, I explained how the vex would try to take it over and that same minotaurs from the beginning would be helping. I explained that someone would need to come with me into the gate and help me out and that once I got the relic they need to wait directly outside the gate until I could cleanse them then would move onto the other gate, while part of the forces would go to the middle to kill minotaurs and the same person would come with me to get the second relic then we would all meet in the middle to kill all the minotaurs that would emerge from the time gates. This went well...up until we got to the point where people needed to go to the middle, they squabbled over who should stay where out of the 4 remainders and needless to say we wiped MANY times before we finally got it right. The Atheon fight is sadly where I never finished with them. As it started I told them 3 random people would teleported to left or right portals (told them to call them venus for future and mars for past just to make it easier). Told them how to use the relic if they are transported and that the other 2 should focus on killing the oracles, even told them to destroy them in the order they appeared and that they should keep close so the person who has the shield could clense them. After all this we would come to the middle and shoot at Atheon to get as much damage and repeat if needed. After one wipe however, tempers were at a boiling point, but who to blame for failings? These people were 5 friends and clans members so I don't really blame them for what happened, but that is not what made me angry at them....no....it was the text they sent after I tried to rejoin. "You are such a -blam!-ing noob at this, you were no help at all" Now let me just say this....I can take people failing in a raid....I can take a bit of dishonesty if you are at least honest after the fact....but for me to take 4 hours out of my day to teach someone something they didn't know anything about and blame me for all the failings....that is just bullshit. This is honestly my worst raiding experience of all time and honestly, I hope that they found a reliable sixth person