Player A has 7 completions Player B has 90+ Player B had two 320, and a 319 before this update Right now player B characters are 330+, only after one week or raiding/PoE challenges Player A currently has equipment has under 310 Could player A do the raid? Yes Does player B have considerably better gear, and experience? Yes If your looking for players to get your raid done in an hour and a half, which player would you choose? [spoiler]I'd choose player b. I only help lower light players after I've done my raids, because it often takes 3 hours+ to complete the raid with lower light players. (Not because they have low light, but because you have only had a few completions and lack experience and/or proper gear.)[/spoiler]

I had 100+ KF completions and Rank 5x3 EVERY IB and multiple flawless and had ZERO 320 characters! RNG wasn't very kind to me.

the one with the higher grimoire score lol

That'd be player b [spoiler]cause I'm player b ;)[/spoiler]

Which is the BETTER player, and the player who works BETTER with a team...and you arent' going to get that information from a NUMBER. Someone who doesn't listen, gets angry easily, and doesn't play well with others is a liability. I don't care what his light level is, or how many "completions" he has. I don't want him. As someone once said to me in a job interview. [i] If you're still 'learning' after your 15th tibial nailing...there's something wrong with you.[/i] His point was there is a point where "experience" is no longer instructive or an indicator of skill, because the task simply isnt' that difficult....but is insead just a lazy way of convincing yourself that you are making skill-or experience based judgements. Someone who has complete the raid 7 legitimate times on a given difficult, knows all they need to know to complete the raid with a good team that is being well-led. The reason why people put so much emphasis on "experience" and "light level"....is that the guy with 90 clears doesnt' NEED a good team leader...and has enough experience to overcome (to an extent) poor team coordination. My first Oryx hard mode clear was light 305. All I needed was a good team leader who had a clear strategy..and understood the fight well enough HIMSELF to give me a role where my relatively low resistance to damage wouldn't be a disadvantage to the team. I, myself am a good enough player...and an experienced enough raider...that given a clear task, I could be counted on to get it done. Result. A raid team where HALF the team was below light 310 gets the Oryx fight done on the second attempt.

Well I'd rather play with a good solid team that doesn't wipe a dozen times at totems, have 4/6 people who refuse to stand on the plate on warpriest, where the lowest light player can't drop the orb and take gaze, and count backwards from 18, where we spend 30 mins getting exotic chest because people don't know the jumps, where we wipe retarded amounts of times on sisters because only 2/6 people can jump in circles, and people die repeatedly on oryx from accolyte eyes they should have shot, or let knights get the bombs. Sorry, I can't deal with that when I only have one day to get my raids done, I'm doing them with experienced players not scrubs with 7 completions.

None of that has anything to do with light level....or experience. It has everything to so with poor team balance. Poor team coordination...and people who are too impatient to allow for people TO LEARN these various roles. But then those people are usually the first to complain when they can't find people who know how to do them. The teams that wipe are because you have players that don't make call outs. The teams that wipe are because someone's TIMING is off. The teams that wipe are because someone is playing while they're drunk or they're HIGH...and they can't keep from -blam!-ING DYING every five minutes. The teams that wipe are teams that are being poorly led...so no one is entirely clear on what strategy is being run., The teams that wipe are the teams where people get panicky or easily frustrated, and they start wanting to change the strategy in the middle of the fight and it unravels. Teams don't wipe at this point because of a lack of players that know the fight mechanics. They wipe because they are either being poorly led....or are working TOGETHER poorly. If you're still learning the mechanics of these fights after seven completions? There's something wrong. They are NOT that difficult or that complicated.

[quote]None of that has anything to do with light level....or experience. It has everything to so with poor team balance. Poor team coordination...and people who are too impatient to allow for people TO LEARN these various roles. But then those people are usually the first to complain when they can't find people who know how to do them. [/quote] If some one needs to learn something, they are inexperienced and don't know how to do it. They can do that on a normal run, with a willing sherpa. [quote] The teams that wipe are because you have players that don't make call outs. The teams that wipe are because someone's TIMING is off. The teams that wipe are because someone is playing while they're drunk or they're HIGH...and they can't keep from -blam!-ING DYING every five minutes. [/quote] Players that don't know to make call out, they are inexperience and need to learn how to do proper call outs. On normal with a willing sherpa. [quote] The teams that wipe are teams that are being poorly led...so no one is entirely clear on what strategy is being run., [/quote] Don't expect every party leader to be a sherpa. If they are posting a sherpa run on normal, they will most likely add that to their post. Most people just want to get the raid done. [quote] The teams that wipe are the teams where people get panicky or easily frustrated, and they start wanting to change the strategy in the middle of the fight and it unravels. [/quote] People are easily frustrated when wiping repeatedly on parts they get done quickly with other groups. Just leave if you don't like them being negative, or wait for them to rage quit. There are always other players to replace the with. [quote] Teams don't wipe at this point because of a lack of players that know the fight mechanics. They wipe because they are either being poorly led....or are working TOGETHER poorly. [/quote] Your still assuming every party leader is a sherpa, they aren't. If you need a sherpa, find one running a normal raid. [quote] If you're still learning the mechanics of these fights after seven completions? There's something wrong. They are NOT that difficult or that complicated.[/quote] Someone may have got 7 normal completions, and not done hard mode. Or they got their 7 completions doing the raid early on when it came out, and strategies have changed (especially for oryx). They may have never done challenges. Someone who have 50+ completions you can assume has done all this.

I'm not assuming anything. I just have enough life experience to tell the difference between good leadership and poor leadership. Between those who are good team players and those who are poor team players. I've raided enough to know that lack of [i]experience[/i] is not what makes teams fail. What makes teams fail is poor leadership; poor strategy; or poor coordination. Like I said. Anyone who is still [i]learning[/i] the mechanics of these fight after seven completions is on the [i]really [/i] flat part of the learning curve. You can run your team any way you want. But the fact is some of worst raids of been on have been with high light level players. Who were simply poor [i]team[/i] players. If you're a decent player, I can easily overcome someone's lack of experience. By being flexible and keeping the strategy---and the role I give him--simple.

Not every leader wants to sherpa buddy, learn the difference. It's not the party leaders fault that players don't know what to do. (Unless of course, he wasn't paying attention to player's light levels and built a weak team.) Go on youtube, watch a tutorial, find a sherpa to take you on a normal raid. Don't expect people to carry you.