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6/6/2016 1:31:13 AM
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The Problem with Destiny's Exotics

Exotics should be god-tier, better than other non-exotics

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Exotics should be on the same level as non-exotics

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Down with Exotics, fast fire legendaries 4 lyfe

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My personal story [spoiler] Recently, I took a very, VERY long hiatus from Destiny to play most of the new games that came out (i.e. Overwatch, Doom) and some old games (i.e. Halo series, Bonerlands, etc). Keep in mind that before I took this break, I'd played Destiny almost every single day for a year and a half. I was playing Doom when I was using the "Double Shotty Combo" (both combat shotgun and super shotgun) and I was top of the leaderboards when I thought, "This shit needs to be nerfed", followed by, "WHAT MANNER OF SISSYNESS IS THIS? Just because something is performing well, it needs to be nerfed?" That little voice in the back of my head said that that's how Destiny manages to keep it's exotics in check. Then it dawned on me, that feeling I hadn't felt in a long time. I was having FUN in Doom, where I hadn't had fun in Crucible since before HoW, before the dark times. At that moment, I realized something.[/spoiler] DESTINY'S FANS HAVE RUINED THE GAME: A History Lesson [spoiler] When Destiny launched back in September 2014, exotics were described as the best of the best, weapons obtained by feats of strength, the hardest activities in the game, etc. Ok, maybe all that didn't pan out, but the part about the best of the best was at least still true. Ice Breaker hit like a truck and had ammo to spare, Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun, Gjallarhorn was the best boss melter in the game, Red Death could keep you in the fight longer, a Crucible gun with Crucible lore, designed for Crucible, The Last Word had an actual reason to hip-fire, Thorn not only stopped Regen, but also did damage. Then came the Mythoclast, the first gun worth calling a nerf for. The fair few people who actually got the gun, or got paired up realized this gun was broken. People getting 4 shot cross mapped, killed through walls because of Fusion rifle hit-scan, other nerf-worthy incidents. Bungie stomped out a weed before it became a problem, good for them. Then came Suros. A little less nerf-worthy, but certainly a problem. Then all was good, a few patches here and there, but nothing compared to the newest meta; The HoW Meta. Thorn, TLW, and Red Death. The 9 months meta. Thorn was kept in check by a low ammo count with slow reload. The Last Word was kept in check by actually requiring skill to accurately hip-fire. Red Death was always a good choice in Crucible. Then Thorn's ammo count was buffed to 150%, with a reload twice as fast, The Last Word was glitched to not require hip-fire, and Red Death was thrown in as practically the only counter for them. Ever since then, the Forums are constantly plagued by calls for nerfs, buffs, outlandishly ludicrous changes to be made, leading to the destruction of the best weapons in the game.[/spoiler] EXOTICS ARE NOW MOSTLY OBSOLETE [spoiler] Think back to when you got your first exotic. You probably didn't get it fighting the Gas Wyrms of Jupiter, or helping to defend Twilight Gap or the Battle of Six Fronts. You probably got it from something mundane, like as a Strike reward or bottom of the team in Crucible or being a dreaded Xurner. But it didn't matter, it was special to you. "Wow, this weapon shoots poison!" "My gun reloads after every kill!" "This rifle regenerates ammo, that's so cool." It was a magical moment for most all of us, a weapon to be proud of. Now think about someone who just picked up the game recently, someone who is running around with his gunsmith Suros auto rifle rolled with glass half full and focused fire. He places 3rd in the crucible and gets the Suros Regime. "Oh wow, an exotic!" He compares the stats. "My legendary is better in every single way to this crappy exotic." His friend, with equally bad luck, finishes King's Fall and gets Thunderlord. But wait, he rolled a Qullim's Terminus with feeding frenzy. Who needs to waste an exotic slot when you already have a weapon that does the same job, and then some. Now their 3rd friend has ridiculously good luck and gets a god-roll Grasp of Malok on his first run of the Omnigul. When he gets back to the Tower, he decides an engram and gets Bad Juju. "Oh yeah, new exotic!" But the stats on Bad Juju are worse than Grasp of Malok, and he's already got 100% Intellect.[/spoiler] As it stands in the game now, there are very few exotics worth trading a legendary equivalent for. The Last Word has lost any reason to be hip-fired anymore, Suros feels like an overshined legendary gunsmith order, Tlauloc feels like a poor man's Mida Multitool, which is one of the few surviving exotics, almost every heavy machine gun being used is Qullim's Terminus, Thorn shoots tickle darts that do no damage and last about the time it takes to blink, Touch of Malice is literally only used on Oryx and Sisters, I could go on but I think I've made my point. Most of the current Exotics in this game don't really feel 'Exotic' anymore. They just feel like workhorses with a different paint job, and are often times outclassed by other legendaries, or their class it so rigid that there are better options for almost every single activity. (Looking at you Dreg's Promise) Exotics are becoming nothing more than novelty items, things to be flaunted, then switched out or used as a joke. I, for one, can no longer stand the abuse and mistreatment of Exotics any longer, but you can help for just pennies a day. Call 1(800)-555-EXOTIC to cast your vote on whether we should keep exotics on our level, or elevate them to their previous godhood, or just select a choice above.

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  • Exotics? I thought they were just prettier legendaries?

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  • When handcannons were op( the last word and thorn) the legendary handcannons were good. When surus was op, auto rifles were good. Weapons need buffs and exotics been taken out of pvp. At least till they introduce private matches.

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  • The problem, which I'm sure someone else posted but I didn't read all the posts, is that you can't have those epic guns in a balanced crucible. I want exotics to be unstoppable killing machines with amazing designs and perks. But that'll only work in PvE. I think exotics should exist on a higher tier than any gun, but I also think crucible should ban those exotics.

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    • Edited by KannibalKlown: 6/7/2016 6:39:01 PM
      Meh, a bunch of them are cool. Not god-like, but cool. Bad Juju - String of Curses MIDA - everything about it No Time to Explain - Would be cool if not for bad sights + recent Pulse changes Lord of Wolves - WOOHOO! Boolean Gemini - WOULD be neat if the sites didn't suck and Aggressive Ballistics ?didn't change? QueensBreaker - cool, but not awesome. etc. Again, most of the above is juuuust cool enough to warrant using them over a Legendary. But are in no means must they be used.

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      • Exotics HoW Hopscotch pilgrim beat all including two shot Thorn.

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      • I think there should be a big buff to exotics, but also an increase in rarity. I feel like legendary weapons shouldn't be the most common weapons.

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      • Exotics should only be God-tier if they were insanely rare to get. Like, you'll only end up earning one... ever unless you have the luck that Candide has in order to escape a bad situation. Basically, every exotic should have an insanely difficult quest that should be completed alone, and the odds of getting such a quest would be abysmally low. Really, we should just have a vast array of unique perks we can get on legendaries...

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      • I think it would be cool if you could choose where you wear your exotics. Say two weapons, but no armor, or vice versa. A lot cool and inventive things could come from this. Imagine twilight garrison with bellicose. Or nlb and invective.

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      • Lol. "Bonerlands"

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      • *old man voice* Back in my day, we had weapons like the Vex and Thorn, weapons so powerful, they had to be nerfed for PvP to be fair >fair lol

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      • Old news

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      • No one understands what the word exotic means Nor how exotics were meant to be used in the destiny universe Destinys biggest problem is its lack of diversity or really anything particularly interesting

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      • I really miss being able to plow through a solar burn nightfall with Icebreaker, Gjally, and VOC. Exotics weren't really 'rare', they just worked really REALLY well. There was a combo for any situation. Primaries: VoC(duh), FB, Fang, Turd of Crota, and AE all ruled supreme. Bad Juju for about everything else. There were very few PvE situations where they didn't splatter your opponents college education all over the wall. Secondaries: Icebreaker. Period. Patience and Time for arc burn. Heavy: Gjallerhorn. In solar burn stuff it was amazing. For arc I'd switch to Ballerhorn. When it was void I found that Giggidyhorn was the best. Other exotic heavies for situational areas. Now Gjally shoots confetti.

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      • Really wish pulse rifles would be buffed back to what they use to be, miss the old Red Death. It's still my favorite exotic but it's a shell of what it once was.

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      • You should be able to compete with every weapon in the game. Exotics shouldnt be god level, only have slight advantages. Right now the only exotic ive been using is lord of wolves. Obviously it gives you a ton of ammo and it reloads by cartridge and not slugs. But it also doesnt have much impact and no range. So I would say that give and take.

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      • Edited by EATANK: 6/7/2016 10:09:40 PM
        I have a good idea. Make exotics awesome again, maybe even more so than before, for both PvE and PvP, but for PvP the problem with balancing and exotics can be solved with playlists. Have half the playlists be randomly chosen to be exotic-allowing, and have the other half randomly chosen to be legendary-and-below-only. This would be on a rotation that would change every day, so if someone prefers crazy exotics in PvP and their favorite playlist doesn't allow it that day it could allow it the next day. This would also encourage exotic-lovers to try out new playlists if their usually playlists don't allow exotics, and the same would also work for legendary-only-lovers. The reason we can't just have two variants of each playlist constantly available is because finding matches could then become much harder with the crucible population so spread out. And it is better to have the split be even between these playlists so one type does not become more dominant/less relevant than the other. In the exotic-allowing playlists things would be a bit unbalanced, but as long as it is not too unbalanced and everyone gets to use awesome weaponry then I think it would still be a blast to play. Also, of course Mayhem should always allow exotics.

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      • Why is it whenever exotics are mentioned only three are named ? Thorn ice breaker gally? When the best raid is mentioned it's always VOG but then players turn around and say year one destiny was boring until year two came out then year one was better because you had to earn your gear but complained that gear drops in general were incredibly low in year one but in year two they're too easy to obtain? Yes you read that correctly now go ahead make a perfect game based on the above lines I dare you please the community with just the above factors I'll wait.

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        • Well said.

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        • Edited by itsfreakingben: 6/7/2016 8:01:19 PM
          I think they need to add quest lines for every single exotic in the game, weapon or gear. I don't care if the quest is incredibly hard or time consuming (Exotic Sword, ToM, Chaperone, NTTE) as long as the exotic is god tier.

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        • Agree entirely i mean look at the Thorn pain in the ass bounty amazing perks. People started to complain then nerfed then left behind. Ridiculous whats the point if in a few expansions they aren't even playable anymore.

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        • exotics sucks. make Time to kill faster. make legendary perks shittier. make exotics perks unique. we dont need everyone using perfect grasp of malok or hawksaw with riffled barrel and counter balance. make people die in 3-4 hits rather than unloading a full clip just to do some damage. this is why we go to secondary slot because primaries suck ass unless its hawksaw or graspy or sometimes last word but only against special weapons... last word sucks against other primaries.

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        • They just don't feel...exotic, I dunno, I feel like they should be something more. But they're SO easy to come by now, I can see why they barely outshine legendaries.

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        • By the poll result, no wonder there are so many complainers here. Exotics should be unique, not better.

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          • legendary items undermine exotic weapons because of their god roll capability. why use an exotic when a perfectly rolled legendary will out perform ANY EXOTIC.

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            • The game just like WoW cater to PvP. Once Balance was a problem in PvP and it affected PvE, I new the game was going to nose dive. One day a game developer will get it. No matchmaking, no privet lobby's =fail for games.

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            • Edited by DirtyBlondeMedic: 6/7/2016 7:38:29 PM
              [quote]Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun[/quote] The Fourth Horseman fires tons faster and is just flat out better...

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