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6/6/2016 1:31:13 AM
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The Problem with Destiny's Exotics

Exotics should be god-tier, better than other non-exotics

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Exotics should be on the same level as non-exotics

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Down with Exotics, fast fire legendaries 4 lyfe

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My personal story [spoiler] Recently, I took a very, VERY long hiatus from Destiny to play most of the new games that came out (i.e. Overwatch, Doom) and some old games (i.e. Halo series, Bonerlands, etc). Keep in mind that before I took this break, I'd played Destiny almost every single day for a year and a half. I was playing Doom when I was using the "Double Shotty Combo" (both combat shotgun and super shotgun) and I was top of the leaderboards when I thought, "This shit needs to be nerfed", followed by, "WHAT MANNER OF SISSYNESS IS THIS? Just because something is performing well, it needs to be nerfed?" That little voice in the back of my head said that that's how Destiny manages to keep it's exotics in check. Then it dawned on me, that feeling I hadn't felt in a long time. I was having FUN in Doom, where I hadn't had fun in Crucible since before HoW, before the dark times. At that moment, I realized something.[/spoiler] DESTINY'S FANS HAVE RUINED THE GAME: A History Lesson [spoiler] When Destiny launched back in September 2014, exotics were described as the best of the best, weapons obtained by feats of strength, the hardest activities in the game, etc. Ok, maybe all that didn't pan out, but the part about the best of the best was at least still true. Ice Breaker hit like a truck and had ammo to spare, Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun, Gjallarhorn was the best boss melter in the game, Red Death could keep you in the fight longer, a Crucible gun with Crucible lore, designed for Crucible, The Last Word had an actual reason to hip-fire, Thorn not only stopped Regen, but also did damage. Then came the Mythoclast, the first gun worth calling a nerf for. The fair few people who actually got the gun, or got paired up realized this gun was broken. People getting 4 shot cross mapped, killed through walls because of Fusion rifle hit-scan, other nerf-worthy incidents. Bungie stomped out a weed before it became a problem, good for them. Then came Suros. A little less nerf-worthy, but certainly a problem. Then all was good, a few patches here and there, but nothing compared to the newest meta; The HoW Meta. Thorn, TLW, and Red Death. The 9 months meta. Thorn was kept in check by a low ammo count with slow reload. The Last Word was kept in check by actually requiring skill to accurately hip-fire. Red Death was always a good choice in Crucible. Then Thorn's ammo count was buffed to 150%, with a reload twice as fast, The Last Word was glitched to not require hip-fire, and Red Death was thrown in as practically the only counter for them. Ever since then, the Forums are constantly plagued by calls for nerfs, buffs, outlandishly ludicrous changes to be made, leading to the destruction of the best weapons in the game.[/spoiler] EXOTICS ARE NOW MOSTLY OBSOLETE [spoiler] Think back to when you got your first exotic. You probably didn't get it fighting the Gas Wyrms of Jupiter, or helping to defend Twilight Gap or the Battle of Six Fronts. You probably got it from something mundane, like as a Strike reward or bottom of the team in Crucible or being a dreaded Xurner. But it didn't matter, it was special to you. "Wow, this weapon shoots poison!" "My gun reloads after every kill!" "This rifle regenerates ammo, that's so cool." It was a magical moment for most all of us, a weapon to be proud of. Now think about someone who just picked up the game recently, someone who is running around with his gunsmith Suros auto rifle rolled with glass half full and focused fire. He places 3rd in the crucible and gets the Suros Regime. "Oh wow, an exotic!" He compares the stats. "My legendary is better in every single way to this crappy exotic." His friend, with equally bad luck, finishes King's Fall and gets Thunderlord. But wait, he rolled a Qullim's Terminus with feeding frenzy. Who needs to waste an exotic slot when you already have a weapon that does the same job, and then some. Now their 3rd friend has ridiculously good luck and gets a god-roll Grasp of Malok on his first run of the Omnigul. When he gets back to the Tower, he decides an engram and gets Bad Juju. "Oh yeah, new exotic!" But the stats on Bad Juju are worse than Grasp of Malok, and he's already got 100% Intellect.[/spoiler] As it stands in the game now, there are very few exotics worth trading a legendary equivalent for. The Last Word has lost any reason to be hip-fired anymore, Suros feels like an overshined legendary gunsmith order, Tlauloc feels like a poor man's Mida Multitool, which is one of the few surviving exotics, almost every heavy machine gun being used is Qullim's Terminus, Thorn shoots tickle darts that do no damage and last about the time it takes to blink, Touch of Malice is literally only used on Oryx and Sisters, I could go on but I think I've made my point. Most of the current Exotics in this game don't really feel 'Exotic' anymore. They just feel like workhorses with a different paint job, and are often times outclassed by other legendaries, or their class it so rigid that there are better options for almost every single activity. (Looking at you Dreg's Promise) Exotics are becoming nothing more than novelty items, things to be flaunted, then switched out or used as a joke. I, for one, can no longer stand the abuse and mistreatment of Exotics any longer, but you can help for just pennies a day. Call 1(800)-555-EXOTIC to cast your vote on whether we should keep exotics on our level, or elevate them to their previous godhood, or just select a choice above.

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  • Who else kinda misses the HoW meta. I do

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  • I wasn't around during Myth or Suros' reigns, but I did drop in right as the HoW update/expansion rolled in so I can relate to where you are coming from. With the newer changes to exotics it is quite saddening really. All I try to worry about is farming Ultras on Patrol just so I can use higher leveled exotics to level up my legendary weapons and gear. To be frank, the only exotic weapons I actually bother using in PvP are Simulant(for heavy), Spindle and Chaperone(secondary), and some novelties like Ace of Spades or The First Curse when I feel like just joking around in a match. Seven out of every ten matches I'll just rely on my max stab 47, auto-fire 43, Hatchet or Reflection Sum and either my Glass Progeny or LDR simply because they handle way better when I actually try to fight. I can't remember the last time I picked up my TLW and Bad Juju in either PvE or PvP. [spoiler]The first exotic I "earned" was back in TDB when I was still a newb. A friend invited me to join him in Rumble and since I had little experience (and few legendaries) at the time I was utterly thrashed. End of game rewards show up and while zero rewards showed up for the other players, NLB dropped for me. It was then that I had my "SmoggyPluto" moment and I truly felt like a snowflake. Shame I didn't use it as often in the Crucible. I could've been a part of that NLB trend.[/spoiler]

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  • Exotic heavies are still pretty good if I say so myself, I run the Dragon's Breath and it does a fine job of melting crowds and bosses don't seem too keen on avoiding the fire very much. Truth still has monster tracking, still nothing that can escape it. SGA hits pretty hard and you never need to reload the damned thing until you run completely dry of heavy ammo. It pretty much has a 170 round drum feeding it like a [b][i]proper[/i][/b] LMG. Recoil kicks like mule though, but if you can hold it on your target it can melt things. Aside from that, I can definitely see where you're coming from, most of the exotics do feel lackluster anymore.

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  • Thorn is just a legendary now. )-:

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  • Exotic are no longer exotic they are just as common as purples.

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    • If they were harder to obtain, they should be God tier. But... Everyone and their mother can get most of the exotics and most of the quest ones are pretty easy. Wait... Year 1 they [i]were [/i]harder to get but everyone cried. Oh well, there's no winning.

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      • Edited by wowchild18: 6/6/2016 3:42:48 AM
        While I don't want them to be God tiered, I agree that most have been nerfed into uselessness. Most exotics need to be reworked back to year 1 stats and all exotics should be harder to obtain (lock more of them behind questlines/bounties). I think 3 of coins was a mistake, just like reforging weapons.

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      • Edited by Gjallarhorn: 6/6/2016 2:55:38 AM
        My favorite part about this cancerous community is how they are too childish to take responsibility for ruining the game. Bungie didn't ruin the game, you kids did. If you're still playing this game and its laughably awful PvP and meh PvE, then I sincerely pity you. You have to be either weak-minded or poor to play new and better games. Not everyone is cancer, TheGreatNike is the best example of this in which his only crime was signing off his name at the end of every post. If you care that much about that, you may need to seek out a psychologist. [spoiler]Feel free to reply with hate, you'll only prove my point of how foolish you are and earn a swift mute. Not you OP, I agree with the points you've listed.[/spoiler] [i]~I'll Ram Your Ass![/i]

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        • If they just fuc[b]k[/b]ing seperated PvP and PvE we wouldn't have this damn problem. But no, the lazy pricks can't be bothered to do even that, when they proved they could when they buffed shotguns.

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        • Bump. Return exotics to Y1 status, and make them rare again.

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        • Like really I've probably gotten more exotics than legendaries which is kinda bad

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        • Exotics were never meant to be better than other gun they were and are meant to be unique

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          • Exotics are meant to be able to do things that legendaries can not. Simple as thay, they're fine.

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          • Edited by TechnoCommandoX: 6/6/2016 2:21:27 AM
            Seriously, no matter how dry it was, vanilla was amazing because exotics did what they were supposed to, be powerful and fit certain playstyles.

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          • How bout you shut up and deal with it

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