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6/6/2016 1:31:13 AM
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The Problem with Destiny's Exotics

Exotics should be god-tier, better than other non-exotics

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Exotics should be on the same level as non-exotics

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Down with Exotics, fast fire legendaries 4 lyfe

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My personal story [spoiler] Recently, I took a very, VERY long hiatus from Destiny to play most of the new games that came out (i.e. Overwatch, Doom) and some old games (i.e. Halo series, Bonerlands, etc). Keep in mind that before I took this break, I'd played Destiny almost every single day for a year and a half. I was playing Doom when I was using the "Double Shotty Combo" (both combat shotgun and super shotgun) and I was top of the leaderboards when I thought, "This shit needs to be nerfed", followed by, "WHAT MANNER OF SISSYNESS IS THIS? Just because something is performing well, it needs to be nerfed?" That little voice in the back of my head said that that's how Destiny manages to keep it's exotics in check. Then it dawned on me, that feeling I hadn't felt in a long time. I was having FUN in Doom, where I hadn't had fun in Crucible since before HoW, before the dark times. At that moment, I realized something.[/spoiler] DESTINY'S FANS HAVE RUINED THE GAME: A History Lesson [spoiler] When Destiny launched back in September 2014, exotics were described as the best of the best, weapons obtained by feats of strength, the hardest activities in the game, etc. Ok, maybe all that didn't pan out, but the part about the best of the best was at least still true. Ice Breaker hit like a truck and had ammo to spare, Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun, Gjallarhorn was the best boss melter in the game, Red Death could keep you in the fight longer, a Crucible gun with Crucible lore, designed for Crucible, The Last Word had an actual reason to hip-fire, Thorn not only stopped Regen, but also did damage. Then came the Mythoclast, the first gun worth calling a nerf for. The fair few people who actually got the gun, or got paired up realized this gun was broken. People getting 4 shot cross mapped, killed through walls because of Fusion rifle hit-scan, other nerf-worthy incidents. Bungie stomped out a weed before it became a problem, good for them. Then came Suros. A little less nerf-worthy, but certainly a problem. Then all was good, a few patches here and there, but nothing compared to the newest meta; The HoW Meta. Thorn, TLW, and Red Death. The 9 months meta. Thorn was kept in check by a low ammo count with slow reload. The Last Word was kept in check by actually requiring skill to accurately hip-fire. Red Death was always a good choice in Crucible. Then Thorn's ammo count was buffed to 150%, with a reload twice as fast, The Last Word was glitched to not require hip-fire, and Red Death was thrown in as practically the only counter for them. Ever since then, the Forums are constantly plagued by calls for nerfs, buffs, outlandishly ludicrous changes to be made, leading to the destruction of the best weapons in the game.[/spoiler] EXOTICS ARE NOW MOSTLY OBSOLETE [spoiler] Think back to when you got your first exotic. You probably didn't get it fighting the Gas Wyrms of Jupiter, or helping to defend Twilight Gap or the Battle of Six Fronts. You probably got it from something mundane, like as a Strike reward or bottom of the team in Crucible or being a dreaded Xurner. But it didn't matter, it was special to you. "Wow, this weapon shoots poison!" "My gun reloads after every kill!" "This rifle regenerates ammo, that's so cool." It was a magical moment for most all of us, a weapon to be proud of. Now think about someone who just picked up the game recently, someone who is running around with his gunsmith Suros auto rifle rolled with glass half full and focused fire. He places 3rd in the crucible and gets the Suros Regime. "Oh wow, an exotic!" He compares the stats. "My legendary is better in every single way to this crappy exotic." His friend, with equally bad luck, finishes King's Fall and gets Thunderlord. But wait, he rolled a Qullim's Terminus with feeding frenzy. Who needs to waste an exotic slot when you already have a weapon that does the same job, and then some. Now their 3rd friend has ridiculously good luck and gets a god-roll Grasp of Malok on his first run of the Omnigul. When he gets back to the Tower, he decides an engram and gets Bad Juju. "Oh yeah, new exotic!" But the stats on Bad Juju are worse than Grasp of Malok, and he's already got 100% Intellect.[/spoiler] As it stands in the game now, there are very few exotics worth trading a legendary equivalent for. The Last Word has lost any reason to be hip-fired anymore, Suros feels like an overshined legendary gunsmith order, Tlauloc feels like a poor man's Mida Multitool, which is one of the few surviving exotics, almost every heavy machine gun being used is Qullim's Terminus, Thorn shoots tickle darts that do no damage and last about the time it takes to blink, Touch of Malice is literally only used on Oryx and Sisters, I could go on but I think I've made my point. Most of the current Exotics in this game don't really feel 'Exotic' anymore. They just feel like workhorses with a different paint job, and are often times outclassed by other legendaries, or their class it so rigid that there are better options for almost every single activity. (Looking at you Dreg's Promise) Exotics are becoming nothing more than novelty items, things to be flaunted, then switched out or used as a joke. I, for one, can no longer stand the abuse and mistreatment of Exotics any longer, but you can help for just pennies a day. Call 1(800)-555-EXOTIC to cast your vote on whether we should keep exotics on our level, or elevate them to their previous godhood, or just select a choice above.

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  • Petition for bungie to give OP a job.

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  • You played Bonerland too? I keep my door shut. Don't want to scare anybody

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  • Please send this to bungie.. Nerfs are KILLING DESTINY stop the damn nerfs!! No gun is cool anymore .. Screw balance! If I wanted balance i would play call of duty!!! I was lower drop rates of exotics and make them more appealing so there's a worthy grind!! Why would I strive for a gun when my stupid hung jury will do better in any pve situation?!? Or why strive for a killing machine when I can just use my vendor hawksaw at all times in any map.. Jesus Christ bungie stop listening to scrubs and go back to what you were doing at first!! Your digging your own grave !!! Stop the damn nerfs !!!!!

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  • I would definitely say that Zhalo stands as the best auto rifle exotic and stands apart from anything else. Maybe not in PvP but definitely PvE

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  • Edited by SweatSpaghet: 6/6/2016 9:59:40 PM
    RIP Hawkmoon

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  • Exotic is supposed to be used for particular situations and excel in those situations. They aren't supposed to be a god tier catch all. At least that is what I remember bungie describing them as however long ago.

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    • Exotics should be more rare. You shouldn't be able to open legendary engrams and get exotics out of them.

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      • I don't think they should be god-tier compared to legendaries, but decent.

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      • God like" compared to what? Legendary? So that would just force ppl to use exotics 24-7... No.

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        • Universal remote deserves the exotic slot, what else am I going to run with my fusion rifle with my CQC loadout? ;)

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        • PvP ruined exotics. Don't allow them in PvP and they can be relevant agian

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          • Exotics are not meant to be more powerful, they are just allowed to break a certain rule... Source was a Bungie dev interview...

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          • Can I vote to meet in the middle? While I do think exotics should on average outdo legendary weapons, I don't feel that exotics should be god tier weapons that completely break balance. Right now I feel exotics are close to where they need to be as a whole. I think some small buffs here and there to weapons like the Suros Regime would help raise them to the top without having them completely blow away the competition like the Suros Regime and other exotics once did.

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          • Bump

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          • Buff all exotic 100% to make them relevant again

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          • Let's thank all the crucibabies for crying till all these godly exotics were nerfed 6 feet under making legendary's better than exotics.

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          • Y1 last word never needed to be hip fired, that was part of the problem.

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          • The sad sad truth

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            Yes must of the Trials weapons really melt exotics, its sad

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          • Well, no Guardian will admit it, but it is the communities fault for this travesty. Oh reader mine, we all complained about Vex and Thorn and Drop Rates and Exotics and Blink and Spawns and Game Modes and Laggers and AFK people, and these all caused drastic changes. • No more loot cave • No more Vex or Thorn • 3 of Coins make Exotics not "exotic" • Blink is no where near as good as Shadestep now Just because something is working for one person doesn't mean it's the best thing ever. It's like diets. Not everyone can work on the same diet, and other people will benefit from other diets. I'm personally a shotgun user inside and outside of Destiny. 70% (rough guess, everyone snipes these days) of this community is Sniper. They will complain that shotguns or MIDA or whatever else kills them is OP because they don't use them. The funny thing is if they use them, they'd come last on the leaderboard, so how do you justify that?

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            • Too easy to get and most are outperformed by legendary items. That needs to change.

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            • We didn't have this problem in Y1, were there good legendary weapons close to exotics? Yes. Were they better? Only if you got some insane truly God roll. My SP was a true God roll but it took alotta skill/luck to out do a Suros head to head and I accepted that. Cribaby forum warriors caused what we have now.

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            • Edited by WeedyMcgee: 6/6/2016 6:51:55 PM
              The Problem with Destiny's Exotics...... DESTINY

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            • It has been stated time and time again from the developers that the vision on exotics is that they 'feel' and 'play' in an exotic manner but remain more or less on an even playing field with Legendary-tier weapons.

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              First off exotics shouldn't be easier than some legendary weapons to get. Exotics should be the prize weapons of this game and only be truly rivaled by other exotics. DoP is imo the best gun in crucible right now and it's a legendary.

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              • I don't care about the rest, but Doom Multiplayer is garbage. Things there need a buff to be competitive, only a few of the weapons are viable. That sniper load out is pretty much going to win you games, you could suck at aiming and it'll drop your enemies.

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