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Edited by IamMythHunter:
6/10/2016 2:43:33 AM
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The Worm Gods ARE NOT Ahamkara
A theory has been going around, popularized by some (including MyNameIsByf) that the Worm Gods in the books of sorrow are Ahamkara. This is due to A FEW phrases in the books that sound like the Ahamkara and the fact that Worm CAN mean dragon.
This is fine speculation, but is far from the actual text.
Despite the fact that this is a legitimate interpretation, there are multiple reasons to believe this interpretation is inaccurate
1. The proper term for dragon is Wyrm, not Worm. While some archaic texts do not make this distinction, it should be known that in modern terminology it is improper.
[spoiler]Bungie may wish to use the word Worm to mean dragon, but it isn't the typical word Wyrm. It may mean something, it may mean nothing. It's a small point.[/spoiler]
2. The Hive Worm Gods have larvae, which look like worms. Dragons are reptiles. They do not have larvae. Whether the dragons in this story do or not, we are given no indication to stray from the nearly global belief that dragons are reptilian and lay eggs that hatch into dragons.
3. The Ahamkara have no known connection to the Hive. The Worm Gods were found in a gas giant. The Ahamkara were on Venus. This is not to say they could NEVER BE connected, only that we have no EXPLICIT mention of the two in the same place. (Barring Book XLV, which is discussed in the seventh point)
4. They were killed by guardians to believed extinction, which doesn't suggest the power that the Hive Gods possessed. The idea that an individual Ahamkara could have been more powerful than the others is not implausible.
5. Akka, a Hive Worm God, is KNOWN to have had a carapace, something Dragons DO NOT HAVE in general and something that worms do have universally. Also, we know the carapace the Dreadnaught is made from is chitin. A dragon carapace, if it had one, would be made of bone. It is more logical to lean on data one knows than a possibility that one believes may be true.
6. Akka's Carapace was larger than the Dreadnaught. Ahamkara bones decorate Guardians. The disparity between the two is so great that an individual piece of evidence equivalent to a card that says [i]"Some of the Ahamkara became Worm Gods"[/i] would be needed to link the two.
7. The Books of Sorrow specifically mention a group known as 'Dragons' that have favor with the Worm Gods. This difference HEAVILY implies that the two entities are distinct.
[url=http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/enemies/books-of-sorrow][/url]
In conclusion, a connection between the Worm Gods and Ahamkara is suggested, but NEVER stated. In addition, any attempt that suggests they are the same ACCORDING TO the grimoire grossly misconstrues information and must rely on some form of unfounded assumption.
Edit 1: Is it beyond reason to believe that Ahamkara and the Worms are the same?
No.
Does the lore [i]directly[/i] contradict this speculation?
No.
Is there sufficient evidence to claim that this idea is an INDISPUTABLE fact?
Again, no.
Edit 2: Added 7. Source: Book of Sorrow XLV.
Edit 3: Clarified potential misreadings.
Edit 4: Further Clarification. Some recommended changes implemented.
Edit 5: More changes implemented. Link to grimoire coming soon.
Edit 6: Changed thesis to match reddit post. Added Books of Sorrow link.
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4 RepliesA lot of attention is given to the physical attributes of the worms and ahamkara. For instance some have bones as we see with the giant bones on the moon and the smaller ones on the armour and for others chitin is mentioned (let alone the wings). However I would suggest this does not matter so much. The worm gods gave oryx the power to shape the universe as he desires. They gift the hive with the ability to define their own shape. Oryx grows wings, not a typical hive trait and we can assume that the hive in current form are vastly changed from the original Krill on the fundament. If the worm gods gave them this power then we can assume that they are capable of it too and much more besides. So in conclusion; worm, dragon, feathers, bones, chitin none of it really matters because we are talking about an alien species and trying to fit them into real world earth taxonomy wont work. They could have all these features or none. Some could choose to look one way and others another way. The only thing that connects these things is their language which is psychic in nature and transcends the death of their physical form (as with the armour pieces). I would argue they are the same psychic entity taking whatever form they please and always making pacts with other beings. The worm gods make a pact with the hive, Just as the Ahamkara or wish dragons do deals with the guardians. Perhaps they had the same dark intentions as the worm gods and that is what caused the hunt? Perhaps the guardians chose the path that the Leviathan suggested to Oryx and his sisters and killed the ahamkara rather than deal with them.
