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originally posted in:Collective Of Knowledge
Edited by Astral Centipede:
6/13/2016 9:25:07 PM
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Missed Lore Opportunities #ThatsSoEmperorRaven
The books of Sorrow mentions Oryx taking countless species long before his arrival to the Solar System, and I think the April Update would have been the perfect opportunity to add just one individual from one of those other species. Instead we got Malok, another Hive Knight that happened to be Taken, and a head made of chewing gum (so creative).
For example, in the Books of Sorrow, Oryx took the emperor of a birdlike species. She was really formidable, and able to cut through the "war moons," the Hive used as ships for mass transport.
[quote]On the fifth pace, the Tai Emperor Raven comes home to her Bridge, and she cuts a moon with her talons, she cuts it open and kills its brood.
On the sixth pace, Oryx speaks, saying, listen to me, Emperor Raven, and I will describe to you the Last True Shape, which is written on my tablet. And he puts out his fist, full of black fire, and he swallows up the Emperor Raven with a wound.
Aiat! Only Oryx knows this power, the power to take.
On the seventh pace, the Perfect Raven comes out of Oryx’s wound, and she spreads her wings across Taishibeth. Never again is a Taishibethi child born. She is perfect, she enacts the will of Oryx. (Verse 4:0 — a golden amputation)[/quote]
#ThatsSoEmperorRaven
THAT is what I wanted to fight. Malok had a fairly unique model for a Hive knight, so I think the resources to make a member of a completely new (or ancient) species were there. The whole Taken era is passing though, so the opportunity is likely gone, but a lesson can be learned from it. This is not just about the April Update; this is just one example of a missed opportunity to bring the lore into the game, and the disconnect between the universe of the lore and the universe of the game.
[b]Bungie, If you have a completely valid and perfect opening like this to bring your lore into the game, please take it next time.[/b] I hope there's someone in the writing department fighting for this kind of thing. Without that, I don't think we will ever see lore figures like Savathun, Xivu Arath, Taox, or the Emperor Raven in a Destiny game, instead, we'll just get random ones pulled out of the devs' bums like "Nokris" and "Malok." The universe of the game and the universe of the lore should feel like the same thing, but they don't.
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I think you mean emperor Revan?
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1 ReplyEdited by bobswerski: 6/13/2016 5:28:35 PMAlways a good read, Kagehoshi. Honestly, the real explanation is going to be the same old boring and mundane "limited resources". The choice of a Hive Knight tasked with tending to the local shrine of Oryx allows them to easily use the existing map for the new strike. Not a great answer but a large part of it. The story is also quite plausible and does add something to the Hive backstory at least. That tricky broad Savathun put a spy into Crota/Oryx's midst, tending to his Shrine, no less. Oryx finds out and "takes" him. Once Oryx falls, this same guy, who was never loyal to Oryx in the first place, tries to take the throne (pun intended) by channeling the old Shrine's power in some way. He is Hive, so his attempting to take over is both expected and desirable to the rest of the species. I don't know you could say the same about a taken emperor of another species. I agree that is much less interesting than bringing in an entirely new enemy but only lore nuts like us would have any clue who it was. Having to explain not only who it was, but how and why a Taken version of the emperor of some now-extinct species many light years away suddenly appeared in our system without being involved in any way with previous events is a little outside the scope of a small-scale strike the live team put together. A better place for something like that would have been inside the Dreadnought or the ascendant realm but this was all the tale of the greater Hive, Oryx's hive, not the powerful but nonetheless small contingent on the Moon. Bringing in all these other species would absolutely be interesting but arguably adds only a little to [i]that[/i] story. Edit: And why would/should we assume that Oryx keeps all these old champions around once he has destroyed their species? Sure, it's possible that singularly powerful ones like the Emperor Raven would be deemed useful but otherwise these species have been judged as unfit to exist and it would seem to me that the sword logic would dictate that Oryx consume them to feed his worm once the rest of them have been exterminated.
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4 RepliesAgreed. Though I would argue that Raven is a very fringe character, to the point that most people would have no clue who that is. As in, to 95% of the community, raven would be as random as Malok. But I agree. Bungie has teased a lot of open plot lines that I'm wondering if they will ever close. While I'm looking forward to Rise of Iron, I am not lore wise looking forward to a whole new SIVA wrinkle while still having all these open gaps on the vex and cabal origins. Or the Exo Stranger. Or the collapse. Or what secrets Savathun found that caused her to go hide out in a black hole. Or exactly what are Ahamkara as they relate to the worms? The Nine anyone??? Osiris? Toland? Saint-14? I'd even be content to have books released to expand the destiny canon if they won't tackle it in game.
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1 ReplyI always thought Malok's head looked like a waterballoon...
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I agree with you, there are a lot of lore-related opportunities that the devs have not taken. On a side note, I believe Malok is a Thrall. I think he spent his life in hiding, giving no sacrifice to Oryx, and with that power grew to be something a Thrall should never become. That's the impression I got from the Grimoire, at least.
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Edited by Liondemiases: 6/13/2016 3:04:17 PMYes, I really don't understand this. Does oryx take a civilization and when he's done using them, just kills them and feeds them to his worm? I'm wondering this, he should of had a taken army already with him including the hive ready to go to war. A lot of plot holes and incomplete info about the characters we are interacting with. Makes bungie look lazy and cheap.
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I still wanna know who nokris is
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To be completely fair, we will be learning about the Iron Lords and their fates in this coming expansion and the potential for that story really excites me. It could tap into significant events in Destiny's timeline, namely Twilight Gap and Six Fronts. That being said, I totally would love to see the Taishibethi Empress in the future and agree that she would have been better than Malok, but I also feel like the April Update wouldn't have done her or the Sisters of Oryx justice. D2 would probably be a better place for them. Just in my opinion.
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1 ReplyI wouldn't mind a raid in where we fight both Savathûn and Xivu Arath at the same time.
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2 RepliesTaken war beasts could be hidden within the dreadnought, it's so big, we probably haven't seen it all.
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Is it overall 3 characters or ? Could you Check mine?
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2 RepliesThe problem is that we don't know Raven didn't die between then and now. We don't know that the Taken don't have limited lifespans. There are no Taken bosses in the entirety of King's Fall. There is more than likely a reason for that.
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2 RepliesI agree with you, I'd just like to point out with your comment about devs pulling crap out of their bums and "Malok" is incorrect. I believe Malok was at least partially planned when TTK was made, because of the fact that Grasp was made, and the Hood was already in the Database
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2 RepliesWhile I agree with the point, but that click bait title is harsh.
