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6/16/2016 10:39:10 PM
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My problem with economic socialism in the United States

Ok, so the few people on here that know me will recognize me as a pretty vocal socialist. For those of you that don't recognize me; I'm a pretty vocal socialist. Living in Washington State (which is a fairly pro-socialism state) the ideas behind socialism were always held as something to work towards. This was especially prevalent in the school system (both high school and college). My recent problems with socialism in the USA do not stem from a sudden dislike of the policies it entails, or because of how many people don't like socialism in the country as a whole. My problem with socialism (and by relation Bernie Sanders campaign [which let's be honest here is over]) is that outside of states which are very receptive towards it (Washington, Colorado, etc) those voting for socialism tend to just want free shit. Now, my problem is not with giving people things. I donate a decent percentage of my income to charity and am known at work and with friends to always be willing to lend help however it is needed. My problems begin arising upon realizing that most people who want socialism [u][b][i]do not[/i][/b][/u] share my beliefs. They don't want to elect Sanders so they can help those in hard times. They want to elect Sanders so that they can get shit for free. To clarify, my problem is not that people would be directly benefiting from voting for Sanders. My problem is that people would be voting for Sanders so specifically they themselves can benefit. That mentality really is not prevalent in Washington State as far as I've seen, but looking across the nation as a whole (especially the poorer areas), people couldn't care less about their communities or their neighborhoods. Hell, some of these people don't even care about their own families. All they heard was that Sanders would give them free shit and they were onboard. TL;DR: Many would abuse this system and pervert it to suit their individual needs as opposed to benefiting society as a whole. Socialism requires a willing and generally selfless society to work, as in the United States things are very individualistic these policies and practices would ultimately fall the same way our current social programs are failing.
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  • True. But by mark's theory you need such a blatant abuse of industrialization before this can be done Closest we got to was around the industrial revolution/depression eras. Unions and other people in government offices allowed relief that soothed the peak from breaking the barrier. Should we have continued the pennies on a dollar/12 hr work shift/ child labor with NO relief. It would be only a matter of time before it happens It's happening now again. History is repeating itself. Unions are getting weaker in the main fronts (unions kept splitting and now too divided) people are starting to work two jobs again. Education is starting to have economic barriers again. Regan set it in motion. Should the next president (s) within the next two decades NOT ease the citizens, it would have granted enough time for a Bernie adherent to take the election. Hate the young if you want but they are telling us something and if we don't do anything now then it could swing far into the opposite direction. The sooner you curve your straight line the less severe the swing will be. Wait too long then we become even more than the USSR and China Also... militant totalitarianism=/= socialism. Those two failed for the former not the latter

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