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Edited by IamMythHunter:
6/10/2016 2:43:33 AM
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The Worm Gods ARE NOT Ahamkara
A theory has been going around, popularized by some (including MyNameIsByf) that the Worm Gods in the books of sorrow are Ahamkara. This is due to A FEW phrases in the books that sound like the Ahamkara and the fact that Worm CAN mean dragon.
This is fine speculation, but is far from the actual text.
Despite the fact that this is a legitimate interpretation, there are multiple reasons to believe this interpretation is inaccurate
1. The proper term for dragon is Wyrm, not Worm. While some archaic texts do not make this distinction, it should be known that in modern terminology it is improper.
[spoiler]Bungie may wish to use the word Worm to mean dragon, but it isn't the typical word Wyrm. It may mean something, it may mean nothing. It's a small point.[/spoiler]
2. The Hive Worm Gods have larvae, which look like worms. Dragons are reptiles. They do not have larvae. Whether the dragons in this story do or not, we are given no indication to stray from the nearly global belief that dragons are reptilian and lay eggs that hatch into dragons.
3. The Ahamkara have no known connection to the Hive. The Worm Gods were found in a gas giant. The Ahamkara were on Venus. This is not to say they could NEVER BE connected, only that we have no EXPLICIT mention of the two in the same place. (Barring Book XLV, which is discussed in the seventh point)
4. They were killed by guardians to believed extinction, which doesn't suggest the power that the Hive Gods possessed. The idea that an individual Ahamkara could have been more powerful than the others is not implausible.
5. Akka, a Hive Worm God, is KNOWN to have had a carapace, something Dragons DO NOT HAVE in general and something that worms do have universally. Also, we know the carapace the Dreadnaught is made from is chitin. A dragon carapace, if it had one, would be made of bone. It is more logical to lean on data one knows than a possibility that one believes may be true.
6. Akka's Carapace was larger than the Dreadnaught. Ahamkara bones decorate Guardians. The disparity between the two is so great that an individual piece of evidence equivalent to a card that says [i]"Some of the Ahamkara became Worm Gods"[/i] would be needed to link the two.
7. The Books of Sorrow specifically mention a group known as 'Dragons' that have favor with the Worm Gods. This difference HEAVILY implies that the two entities are distinct.
[url=http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/enemies/books-of-sorrow][/url]
In conclusion, a connection between the Worm Gods and Ahamkara is suggested, but NEVER stated. In addition, any attempt that suggests they are the same ACCORDING TO the grimoire grossly misconstrues information and must rely on some form of unfounded assumption.
Edit 1: Is it beyond reason to believe that Ahamkara and the Worms are the same?
No.
Does the lore [i]directly[/i] contradict this speculation?
No.
Is there sufficient evidence to claim that this idea is an INDISPUTABLE fact?
Again, no.
Edit 2: Added 7. Source: Book of Sorrow XLV.
Edit 3: Clarified potential misreadings.
Edit 4: Further Clarification. Some recommended changes implemented.
Edit 5: More changes implemented. Link to grimoire coming soon.
Edit 6: Changed thesis to match reddit post. Added Books of Sorrow link.
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8 RepliesI had to take some time to read both your post and some of the answering posts before responding. So, my conclusion is that there is an undisputed connection between the Ahamkara and the Worm Gods, based On blatantly open use of their catch phrase "oh, ****, mine." But not enough has been revealed to say that they are undoubtedly the same beings. I would hazard a guess that they likely stem from similar origins. Further speculation leads me to believe that the "Sky" is likely a reference to the "Light," and that the "Deep" is almost definitely the "Darkness." This of course making the connection between the Hive's war on their original homeworld, the Fundament, and what we now face on Earth. Therefore the Worm Gods, regardless of whether they are in fact Ahamkara, serve the same purpose to the Darkness as the Traveler does to the light. [i]If[/i] the Ahamkara are the worms, then it goes a long way to explain why we exterminated them. Of course at that time we wouldn't have known the details of their past, but likely there would have been many who recognized the evil they represented. And as most people have already speculated, the Ahamkara are probably not dead. Again if they and the worms are one and the same then the power they gave Oryx to cheat death is a power they hold as well. In the end not enough has been provided to know anything for certain. I would however credit someone else's response that we are dealing with an alien species, one of many so far, and we cannot draw too many conclusions based on words like "worm" and "dragon" and the inconsistencies these present based on our understanding. Calling an Ahamkara a dragon is because it's the best description that fits. Likewise we call them worms because that's what they look like to us. We see the universe through our own narrow windows and try to apply our rules to infinity because we want to make sense of the chaos. I look forward to the next piece of the puzzle they provide.
