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8/19/2016 3:32:39 AM
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I can't help but wonder... are the people at Bungie proud of these decisions? If they are not, then I feel like logic would dictate they change those decisions. And if they are, then there's no good reason to refuse to share those reasons.
It just strikes me as odd.
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There's a stark difference between the people we know...the Bungie devs, Deej and Cozmo, who work on the game, listen to us, and try to improve the game, and the people who write these contracts, the business execs from Sony and Activision. The people we know are probably pissed, but I highly doubt they really have a say in what happens with these deals.
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Edited by burritosenior: 8/19/2016 4:45:57 AMYou're not wrong. The anger at folks such as Deej and Cozmo and Urk (to a lesser extent since he was last the public face during the Halo era) has always been misplaced. It's really an internal issue at Bungie: how they deign to treat their customers. It's a philosophical change that is drastically different from their community oriented approach of the Halo Era that worked so well for them. Alas.
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You do realize Destiny might not even be a thing if Activision didn't back them up, right? I mean they gave x amount of money, helped get a deal with Sony for x amount of money for advertisement rights and exclusive gear. Contracts have a lot of small print and loop holes. Bungie really doesn't care what xbox players get and when they get it. They might wish it wasn't the way it was. But they wouldn't have made this dream a reality without Activision. It's pathetic so many of you are complaining or crying or want a reason for why things are how they are. The PS exclusives were announced well before the game came out "The best place to play Destiny". You know this going in, and still cry. None of us are entitled to anything.. They could shut the servers down at any moment if they wanted to. Just stop crying and play the game.. It is a game btw... [spoiler]Don't care about spelling/grammatical errors.[/spoiler]
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The creators of Halo, billion dollar franchise...not getting funding and needing Activision to be successful. Lol, what a good joke.
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So you think Bungie had 500 million laying around for a 10 year plan? Why didn't they just back themselves oh wise one?
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Edited by Sapid: 8/19/2016 4:46:16 AMUh no, Activision is a powerhouse and was the best opportunity for profit. Not saying it wasn't a smart call. But it's stupid to think Bungie had no one else to go to considering the resources they have from making one of the most popular games ever....I'm sure you aren't under the assumption no one else gave them an offer either. Sony exclusives aren't the "price we paid for destiny". Stop eating out of Activision's hand.
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[quote]Uh no, Activision is a powerhouse and was the best opportunity for profit. Not saying it wasn't a smart call. But it's stupid to think Bungie had no one else to go to considering the resources they have from making one of the most popular games ever....I'm sure you aren't under the assumption no one else gave them an offer either. Sony exclusives aren't the "price we paid for destiny". Stop eating out of Activision's hand.[/quote] How am I eating out of Activisions hand? Sure they had offers, but this one was clearly the smartest choice. You seem to know more than the avg moron on these forums. If you no how business works, why are you complaining to me? Bungie wanted to profit, Activision & Sony gave them what they wanted and Destiny was born. End of story.
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I'm not complaining to you at all really, that wasn't how this talk started. I was referring to how misguided and funny it was to say Destiny wouldn't be here without Activision. Their job isn't to allow Destiny to happen...it's to squeeze every last cent they can out of it. Destiny would've still been a complex, popular game without Activision. I'm almost positive of that. If you were arguing it might not have been as [i]profitable[/i] then I agree. And I'll never accept the "it's just business" excuse towards the exclusive practices going on. Because I'll always respond that a business needs loyal and trusting customers, and that consumers have every right to complain (and in doing so are likely to alter policies). Being mute isn't the correct response to injustice..yeah it's "end of story" if the consumer is silent and takes their beating, but if you speak up then it's never completely over.
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We're on the same page, well close enough.. Anyways it is just business. I work for a multi billion dollar world wide company, and it's a joke how we deal with clients a lot of the time. Buy hey, as long as our leaders are making cake, who cares...
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Destiny would certainly not be here had Activision not funded it. I've followed the process most likely longer than you have mate- I am in fact familiar with the situation. That doesn't change what was said in the slightest though. Admittedly, I'm rather surprised you seem to be under an impression to the contrary. As for the latter part of your post, you use terms like 'cry' and 'complain' to try and place yourself on a sort of moral high ground. Which is rather silly of you. Showing distaste at what any rationale gamer would consider a disturbing business practice is perfectly fine. To dismiss it as 'crying' despite valid points or how logical the statement is simply because it pains you to see someone not content with the order that makes you happy... well, if anything could be considered crying I suppose it would be things such as that.
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[quote]Destiny would certainly not be here had Activision not funded it. I've followed the process most likely longer than you have mate- I am in fact familiar with the situation. That doesn't change what was said in the slightest though. Admittedly, I'm rather surprised you seem to be under an impression to the contrary.[/quote] They would not be here? I believe that was a typo on your end. Let's move along.. As for the latter part of your post, you use terms like 'cry' and 'complain' to try and place yourself on a sort of moral high ground. Which is rather silly of you. Showing distaste at what any rationale gamer would consider a disturbing business practice is perfectly fine. To dismiss it as 'crying' despite valid points or how logical the statement is simply because it pains you to see someone not content with the order that makes you happy... well, if anything could be considered crying I suppose it would be things such as that.[/quote] I don't need to validate my points.. You can find them anywhere.. Sure it's not how I'd like my business run, but it's not my business. Why do businesses make millions or even billions a year? Because they run them the most efficient and cheapest way possible with the ability to gain more than their competition. I'm on no moral high ground, I'm just not a child..
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I'm not sure what your initial quote is trying to achieve. I reread it and see no typos. Everything in there is correct from what I can see. The next... the large paragraph. It isn't in quotes despite being my own words. So if you are trying to turn the paragraph against me, then I'm afraid you misunderstood the entire section since it does not actually work in reverse. However, if you just forgot how to quote momentarily, then for the final paragraph... You don't need to validate your claims? That's a pretty immediate red flag, mate, whether you want to think so or not. But that aside... you don't have anything to back up in the first place. I'm not sure where that adorable little outburst came from, honestly. You just started talking about me 'crying' out of nowhere after I made a reasonable, polite, and rational post. I don't understand what you could possibly 'validate' from that even were you to do so. And I certainly don't believe there are 'sources' you have available to show that I am 'crying' about anything. It seems like that came out of nowhere. The only explanation I can think of is that you're getting this confused with another conversation. Regarding the moral high ground, you are correct in that you do not have it. Hence why your insistence on calling polite people out for 'crying' is rather silly. As for being a child... well, perhaps you aren't. But at the end of the day, this is the internet. Your age is really determined by how you act. I made a reasonable posy. You came completely out of nowhere to attack me rather rudely. Which was childish. So... I suppose it does end up calling your statement into question, yes.
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[quote]I can't help but wonder... are the people at Bungie proud of these decisions?[/quote] [quote]It's pathetic so many of you are complaining or crying or want a reason for why things are how they are. The PS exclusives were announced well before the game came out "The best place to play Destiny". You know this going in, and still cry. None of us are entitled to anything.. They could shut the servers down at any moment if they wanted to. Just stop crying and play the game..[/quote] I'm assuming you're not from America from your text, so I do see some translation errors on my end (no fault to you). Anyways... With how I stated it, it wasn't a direct attack at you. You seem like an intelligent individual with a complex mind, so don't overreact. My reply to your main post is fitting in my eyes.. I used your post, to get my point across. Your op made no sense to me.. Proud of these decisions I seen. Idk how business works where you are, but where I am, that's it.. A for profit business is for one thing only, profit.. Are they proud of the decisions? Maybe, buy probably not.. But as long as they're profiting, they don't care.. Your post just makes absolutely zero sense to me. It's not like the CEO of Bungie is reading this and is like 'that guy is right'. He made a deal with someone and is bound by it unless he wants to lose his reputation, business or job. He doesn't care what decisions are made. As long as he's making money and living a comfortable lifestyle, that's it.. [spoiler]Sorry if I offended you. It's just annoying seeing the countless posts who have no idea wth is going on...[/spoiler]
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English is in fact my primary language. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve with those passive aggressive remarks about language barriers but I assure you that whether you are feigning ignorance or are actually that ignorant, the result either way does not bode well for how you are perceived, mate. As far as being proud of the decisions, it would seem like you're picking and choosing sections of the post to read. The context of that statement is in regards to how if they are proud of their decisions, then there is no reason to not talk about them. And if they are not proud of their decisions in this matter, then there is inherently a problem with those decisions and Bungie should most likely reevaluate themselves. Bungie was never as profit oriented as they act today and yet they were immensely successful. Success does not have to be measured by how much money you can squeeze out of people as you seem to be implying. But I don't know. Maybe you stopped after reading only one sentence of the post so that's why the context is missing for you? I'm not entirely sure, I'll admit.
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Nope. I'm sure the Wall Street Journal will be calling you any minute now for your opinion on a multitude of business issues facing our planet. You should collect your thoughts for them. We are just humbled to be in the same forum with a person of your business and moral acumen. Thank you for your greatness.
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I'm not entirely sure why you're being so hostile, but you still haven't said anything to make me question what I said. I'm open to thoughts if you'd care to present them in an adult manner rather than spiteful barbs though. Cheers.
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No one cares, seriously. Xbox sucks, deal with it. Now go get a tissue and play some Halo or Titanfall and leave the adults alone.
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I'm still not entirely sure why exactly you're being so hostile to me. But I can't help but wonder... were somebody to read your replies and mine in this thread, do you believe most people would say my initial post, as calm and neutral as imaginable, is 'crying' over something? But more than that... do you truly believe your posts are otherwise? Mate I am sorry... but you're acting like a petulant child here. And it's very disappointing and uncalled for since I've done nothing to warrant anything but courtesy from you.
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Clearly I don't care what you think. If you think Bungie lied to you then step up and hire a lawyer with your not so hard earned money, and do what you need to do. Anything less than that, like coming on here and trying to get others to agree with you, is whining and complaining. We're done here. Dismissed
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You must care what I think or you wouldn't have started to try so desperately to change what I am thinking. To say you don't care is just being dishonest, mate. As for lying... why would I need a lawyer for anything? When did I ever even mention anything in the REALM of legal acrion? You're making these absolutely absurd connections in your head mate that are making you seem incredibly irrational. And again, dismissing complaints as 'whining' simply because you don't like or, more likely, don't understand them, is a rather ignorant way to move through life. Also a very discourteous way. You've been exceedingly rude to me despite how reasonable I have been. That's something you may want to work on.
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Contracts, lawyers, money. What does feeling proud or any other way have anything to do with it?
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Bungie chose to enter all their agreements. They claimed they would still maintain all control over their project. So either Bungie lied when they announced their slavery- I mean partnership- with Activision (in which case they should probably not be proud by that point and should have realized something was already wrong), or they told the truth and are deliberately keeping quiet for no logical reason. Hope that clears up that thought process for you.
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Welcome to the world of contractual obligations. Enjoy your stay
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Which is what makes me think Sony had the control of the contract. We give you the money, so we say when you make them non-exclusive.
