What I always hated about BF is that it took you forever to get anywhere, sure you could die and spawn on friends, but mostly you were waiting around for vehicles. Demo of 1 was fun, but not something I would put in the amount of hours i put into this game. Then again there are other games coming out that I will be trying. we will see. And destiny and yes BF aren't competitive Pvp. Well unless they have private matches that are customizable. And BF maps are to big for that type of competition anyway, But for just playing with a pile of people, yes BF has that.