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Who Is Nokris, Really? (Solved?) Post 3 [Additional Speculation].

[Part 4] Post-Speculation Speculations: These are just a few interesting tidbits and "food for thought" sort of notes that I couldn't quite find a fitting place to mention in the previous 3 posts, so, just think of these as sort of "Deleted Scenes" and "Bonus Features" for your After-Theory-Enjoyment. 1.) "What about the theory that Nokris was wiped out by the Vex, and that's why there's no mention of her?" > This is a very interesting idea, honestly. For a while I was speculating this myself, but then I drew a few interesting conclusions that I believe essentially dispels this theory, at least in part. If we look at how the Vex operate when they erase something, or someone from time, we'll notice that the "deletion" from existence is absolute. When Praedyth fell victim to this fate inside the Vault of Glass, all memory and all record of Praedyth and Praedyth's existence up to his entry into the Vault was completely wiped away. There was no record of him, or his presence in the Future War Cult, and this extended not only to Praedyth's immediate self, but also to connections, actions and correlations to Praedyth. For example, as we see during the "No Time To Explain" quest, the Future War Cult's Leader (the faction that Praedyth was part of), had no memory of Praedyth. As Lakshmi-2 states during the quest: "A Guardian I've never heard of leaves behind a Ghost I've never seen, carrying files stamped with Cult headers, files I would have had to authorize to be stamped that way." These items could only be recovered inside of the Vault of Glass, itself. A place where time does not simply move forward, but "Flows and ebs," like a swirling tide, leaving "fractures" in which small fragments can escape through; fragments like Praedyth's Ghost. Fragments like the weapons we obtained in the Vault; The Fatebringer, Praedyth's Revenge and Praedyth's Time Piece, etc. These items only continued to exist INSIDE of the Vault, until we retrieved them. Items like these can exist in the Vault, and can be brought back from the Vault now, only because we slew Atheon, and bought a momentary "peace" to the time-flow inside the Vault. But even bringing these items out of the Vault does not restore the existence of the Guardians who wielded them. Lakshmi-2 still had no recollection of Praedyth, or even any memory of ever having approved the Files that his Ghost carried, with War Cult headers stamped for approval. Even her own actions, because they were connected to Praedyth, were "undone," and wiped from all memory and existence. Baring this in mind, if Nokris had been "Wiped out" by the Vex, then all memory and all things pertaining to Nokris would also have ceased to exist, and while this is the case for any "information" we may search for about Nokris, there is one thing that remains. The statue. If Nokris had never existed, the statue on Oryx's Dreadnaught would not exist for us to have discovered in the first place, because Oryx would never have created it in her likeness; Oryx would never have known her, to know her likeness in the first place. 2.) Looking Deeper into Greek Mythos surrounding Nox. a.) In Hesiod's Theogony, Nyx/Nox is born from Chaos. This is intriguing to me, because in Greek Mythos, there is a Goddess who personifies Chaos and Discord. This Goddess's name, you ask? Her name is Eris... b.) Also in Hesio'd Theogony, Nox gives birth to Moros (Doom, Destiny), Ker (Destruction, Death), and Thanatos (Death). The most interesting part of this to me is Nox giving birth to "Destiny"... Why? Well, we are discussing Destiny's Lore... Wouldn't it be mind-blowingly ironic if the "conflict" between Oryx and Nokris came because of something to do with, say... Nokris creating the Traveler? Or Nokris piloting the Traveler? Very Spin-Foily here, but maybe there's a slight possibility that Oryx has been hunting the Traveler because it has some connection to Nokris. How ironic would it be if the Mother of Crota was also the "Mother" of the Traveler; essentially the "Mother" of "Destiny," itself. 3.) In some interpretations of Greek Myth, Nox gave birth to Thanatos and other children of hers, without the help of Erebus. Is it possible that Oryx was never truly the Father of Crota? Might Crota have actually been Nokris' child, forcefully taken from her by Oryx? We've seen Oryx do this once already; Malok was the son of his sister, Savathun. But Oryx used his powers to transform him into a "Taken," essentially stealing her child as an insult to Savathun, and making him Oryx's slave, forcing Malok to offer worship to him. This is NOT unlike what we know Crota to have done. Crota battled, and conquered entire civilizations, wiping out entire worlds and laying waste to countless-millions of lives, in order to offer tribute to Oryx. Crota built shrines to Oryx throughout the Universe, and these shrines (such as the Shrine of Oryx on the Moon) fed tribute to Oryx, and made him more powerful through this tribute. Perhaps Crota shared a similar fate to Malok, and was simply brain-washed to believe that Oryx was his one, true creator and Father. If you have any additional thoughts or speculation to offer, I invite you to join in the conversation and share your ideas. As always, it's been a pleasure to share my theories with you, Guardians. Thanks for reading.
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  • Only issue is the traveler exists before the hive as it trapped the worms and was helping the ammonites. Only way I can think about it is if she took over the traveler somehow

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    • Nokris ran off with some guy and no one talks about it anymore. Also they were too lazy to take down the statue.

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      • What if Nokris was dying and created the traveler as a vessel to store her mind.

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      • Sirkon's evil twin.

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      • Re: Nokris and the Vex. Don't forget that Oryx's Throneworld is "coterminous" with the Dreadnought. The Vex don't seem to be able to mess with that realm, as we see in the Books of Sorrow. It's paracausal, like guardians, so unless something like that is in the VoG, they can't totally erase it. Ergo there are still rare mentions of Praedyth around, presumably Pahanin had some notes that survived. So if Nokris goes down into the vault and gets wiped from existence, places like The Worlds Grave archive would have no mention, but Oryx may still remember, and a statue in his Throne world could still exist. A bit of a stretch? Maybe, but it's not like the other possibilities are ironclad.

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        • Do you have any links to the previous three parts?

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