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Edited by The Warden:
3/30/2017 6:58:12 PM
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Kings, shattered?
Well, guess I was wrong. A while back, I made a post speculating on what the Kings were up to.
[spoiler]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/218080091/0/0[/spoiler]
But, it appears that I was way off. The Kings aren't as high and mighty as we once thought. Uldren refers to their house as being broken.
[quote]A broken ruler of a broken house, and the last of his kind.
They were more alike than he cared to admit.[/quote]
-Reef 4
Obviously, the broken ruler is the Kell of Kings, and the house being House Kings. Uldren is broken, considering his Queen/sister is presumed dead, and that the attack on Oryx failed. But now I'm getting sidetracked. The King Kell is said to be broken by Uldren, which is a major piece of information. This shows us that all Fallen houses are now currently broken.
Devils-no Archon, no Kell, no Prime.
Winter-no Archon, no Kell, missing Prine.
Wolves-no Archons, no Kell, no Primes.
[spoiler]Two Primes, Kaliks and Orbiks, means two Archon Priests, Aksor and Keldar. [/spoiler]
Exile-just broken.
And now Kings. From what we can gather here, they have a Kell. For a house to be considered broken (in my opinion), they can't have a Prime. Why? No Prime means no Ether. You can replace a Kell, just look at the Reef Wars. You can replace an Archon Priest, Winter did.
[spoiler]Maybe. Our Wolf/King/Winter Priest Aksor is quite confuzzling.[/spoiler]
But replacing a Prime is extremely difficult. Aksis did it, but with SIVA. The Guardian has destroyed SIVA's Replication Chamber, and Aksis. So SIVA is off of the list. Wolves repaired Orbiks Prime, probably because Kaliks Reborn didn't fair too well in the PoE. But, repairing something without the aid of SIVA, a Prime Servitor no less, must take a lot of resources. That may be why Servitors are revered as gods. Because they can't be manufactured easily anymore.
So Kings' Prime may be MIA, like Simiks (Winter), or destroyed, like Sepiks. However, they might have a missing Archon Priest. The reason is why this isn't a big deal is because there are other, lesser Archons. For example, let's use the Devils. Say we killed Aksis before Rise of Iron, and never killed Riksis. Riksis is now a contender to become Archon Priest. If an Archon Priest is removed, they can be replaced, much like a Kell.
A third cause may be that House Kings is just too small. Exile, being the puny house it is, is quite small. This is understandable, considering they're mostly Dregs (who haven't figured out how to remove their docking caps and regain their 2nd pair of arms...), but House Kings is a full house (no pun intended). Something catastrophic must have happened to the Kings. What's that? Oryx, you say? Why yes, that's quite possible. During TTK, we come across a large amount of Taken Fallen, especially those damned aimbot Vandals. Oryx's forces may have come from Kings and Devils. Now, thankfully it's been a while since I've seen Taken. So maybe their cloaks don't match. But do you find Winter cloaks on Venusian Taken Fallen?
[spoiler]Do you? I can't remember.[/spoiler]
Well, enough of my rambling. There's the TL;DR.
TL;DR-House Kings is broken, contrary to what was popular belief up until 3/28/17. Kings may have a missing Prime or Archon Priest, or may simply not have the numbers.
*Edit*
Just a little something I hadn't considered, surprisingly.
[spoiler][quote]That same card mentions all houses are broken except for the kings who are still relatively active. It may mean broken as in how all houses were technically broken being that they are fallen and not the great civilization they once were.[/quote]
-l3LACKxW1D0W[/spoiler]
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I interpreted it as if he was referring to their species as broken and therefore their house and Kell. The Kings were originally the leaders of the fallen before the whirlwind. So I thought it just meant they were broken in comparison to the past. Is like to think that the kings are still fully operational.
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They're getting a new stadium built. It's in a bunch better location than that crappy Sleep Train Arena. Perhaps they can return to the days when Divac and Webber were Archons.
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3 RepliesAlso, every house is broken except for exile. IMO they don't have a hierarch they're more totalitarian with the barons as the higher ups, they're kinda like the reject club, fallen already exiled from their old houses found refuge with them. I'm clueless as to how they can organise attacks on the hellmouth like in Shrine of Oryx if they don't have any tactical minds or whatever. They run on a "just fight, if you live, well played." kinda tactic.
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6 RepliesIt's 3:00 am and this popped in my head Uldren: look at me guardian I'm a kell of kings, do you know what it means? Ghost: my scans detected that you are a little bitch Uldren: ...
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No offense and really good read looks like you did your homework but uh... MOTHER-blam!-ING CABAL TIME NOW MY GUY SCREW ASKSIS HAIL PHALANX
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We may have killed skolas. However he could of somehow sent himself back I'm time and still exist in the time stream.
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Edited by Vegalink: 3/30/2017 9:54:46 PMMyelin Games posted about this on youtube. His theory was that card is talking about Uldren challenging the Kell to combat and taking over the Kings. The fallen houses are broken and Uldren is uniting them. It mentions something about feeling starlight being proud of him or whatnot. I guess starlight is a reference to the Queen and her being proud of him uniting the last of the fallen under one banner. At least that was his theory. He makes a convincing case from the grimoire. https://youtu.be/V5Rh-XZlL4M
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Speaking of kings, I haven't heard from them since HoW, I believe they went into hiding on some place like venus, working [i]with[/i] the broken winter fallen from behind the scenes.
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2 RepliesEdited by MiggyXP: 3/30/2017 11:54:02 AMMaybe in the new world we befriend Greg the dreg and Randall the vandal through our connection with Variks. [spoiler]; )[/spoiler]
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Thought it said Kings Sharted.
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1 ReplyMuted
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2 RepliesWhat's your point
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4 Repliesif all of the houses are broken now, thanks mostly to us guardians, then that means they are pretty much defeated. i hope that means in destiny 2 they are no longer a major presence/enemy in the game anymore and are replaced by a new race to fight. id prefer something new over rehashing the same guys again. i kinda like the idea some of you have been floating around of the remaining fallen teaming up with us to fight a common enemy. although i think that ship may have already sailed as i think the perfect opportunity for that common enemy was probably oryx and the taken. the taken seem to have decimated the fallen and oryx was a major threat to the entire system. if there was any time the fallen would have joined forces with us it was then. maybe the full force of the cabal empire shows up in destiny 2 due to the events of the taken king and the threat oryx posed to the cabals plans. i remember in one of the story missions it was said that the remaining cabal sent a distress signal back to the empire for help against the taken and they played a pretty big role in fighting oryx and attacking the dreadnaught. perhaps now the rest of the fleet finally shows up and they mount a full scale invasion of earth and the rest of the system and they are now the major threat.
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6 RepliesI didn't read your full post but the fallen have left the solar system (In destiny 2). The house of kings is the only remaining house.
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2 RepliesKings are waiting for a 29.99 DLC drop to make an appearance.
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2 RepliesThat same card mentions all houses are broken except for the kings who are still relatively active. It may mean broken as in how all houses were technically broken being that they are fallen and not the great civilization they once were.
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From a comment I left in another thread: After reading Fallen 6 and Reef 4 multiple times, I'm of the opinion that Fallen 6 is after Reef 4 as far as timeline. What I think we see in fallen 6 is the fallen abandoning their banners and houses, and are now all consolidated under Uldren (in Reef 4), similar to how Mara subjugated the Wolves, but in a more complete way. And for some reason, similar to Halo 2 when circumstances caused the Arbiter and elites to join forces with Master Chief, I'm speculating that under Uldren, we will see the Fallen as an ally in D2. After Maras sacrifice for humanity, I'm convinced the reef is our full ally in this fight. And with Mara still "communicating" with Uldren, I believe he is too. With an ally in control of the united Fallen, I believe they will be on our side of the fight. Could be 100% wrong but that is how I read those cards
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2 RepliesShameless self-bump
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1 ReplyEdited by Sepia: 3/30/2017 3:21:46 AMThe decreased presence of house devils is kind of understandable. Maybe house kings caught wind of a cabal armada on a course toward our solar system and decided to get out of their way?
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7 RepliesI hope we see some Fallen in the trailer tomorrow. Fingers crossed for Fallen Allies?
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4 RepliesOne of the new grimoire cards talks about the Fallen burning all their banners. This could mean either they've given up and leaving the system or more likely they are secretly all uniting under one banner and preparing to attack the city. This could possibly be a D2 dlc. Unless they are teaming up with the cabal to attack the city.
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5 RepliesIt doesn't make sense though. We've barely seen and partially fought them. They didn't even show up in Rise of Iron even though they've been controlling the devils for a long time. So why broken? It doesn't make logical sense.
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6 RepliesIsn't Vosik an Archon Priest?
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3 RepliesThe point of the card is to assume that uldren is taking over the house of kings like his sister did with the wolves. Why go through all the trouble of explaining the house is broken when it can summarized with the two sentences in the card?
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1 ReplyVariks is a sleeper agent that will rise and become the Kell of Kells and wage war on the cabal and the city and unite the houses in a Destiny 2 DLC watch
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3 RepliesIt has been long said in the cards that the house of kings is the most powerful house. Just because they have never mentioned the King's Prime, Kell, and Archon doesn't mean they are dead or missing. In Reef 4 my impression is that Uldren has dominated the house of kings. So I doubt the house of kings is broken.
