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4/15/2017 6:35:13 AM
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HZD ending discussion
Making this topic because I couldn't find any others that were relevant. I know I'm a little late, but I just beat it and got the platinum trophy today and was hoping to find some ending discussion. So yeah spoilers ahead, obviously...
[spoiler]I didn't particularly like the game all that much for probably the first ten hours. You didn't have any cool shit, and the combat felt incredibly tedious and boring. I can definitely say however that it gets a lot better. By the time I hit the level cap I felt like an all powerful god. This is not uncommon for an RPG, but HZD was trying to be both a true action game and RPG I felt like, so it being bad at first was less excusable than I would normally feel.
I feel like the ending of the story fell flat. I was expecting payoffs beyond just eliminating Hades. I was hoping to get to talk to GAIA and find out what happened to the other AI's, so that humanity could start to rebuilt for real. Sadly, it seems we'll have to wait for the sequel. Also, why did the machines shut themselves off after you took out Hades? Shouldn't you have had to reactivate GAIA in order to reverse it? Was Hades planning on hanging out at the spire, broadcasting that signal for the rest of its existence or what?
Not that the story was all bad. To the contrary, I actually really enjoyed it. I thought the revelations were all well done, and the overall set up was very cool. I'm interested to see what direction they take the series.
As for Sylens, I felt like his ending was a bit cheap. First of all, why did he abandon you after telling you his real story? He definitely could have been useful at the final battle. He basically just assumes that you are gonna take care of everything, but you very nearly fail, and if you had the world would have ended again. Wtf was he doing that was so important? And then for Hades to magically fly back to Sylens for some reason... You would think he learned his lesson from what happened the last time he tried to -blam!- with Hades. It just didn't seem to fit the story at all and was just a dumb way to set up plot points for expansions or sequels.
Overall I really liked the game. Almost surprisingly so given how I felt about it out of the gate. It's definitely a franchise I will look forward to playing in the future and is probably my new favorite Sony exclusive. [/spoiler]
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Just got platinum myself. Left getting the shield weaver till AFTER i completed it. Great game very enjoyable. KINDA gutted i have nothing left to do 😐
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1 ReplyThere's a pretty long side quest with this guy who drinks the oil from machines. You have to go on multiple missions for him. When you reach his last story line, he becomes terrified. Stating that something is coming and he's running to the west. Even though the dangers in the West are far greater. Anyways, there's a ton of more more from him and the little mission logs that speak of the West and stating the dangers there are far greater. As well as something bad coming for alloy I think...
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28 RepliesEdited by FrostD: 4/15/2017 10:48:55 AM[spoiler][quote]I feel like the ending of the story fell flat. I was expecting payoffs beyond just eliminating Hades. I was hoping to get to talk to GAIA and find out what happened to the other AI's, so that humanity could start to rebuilt for real.[/quote]Humanity could not start over for real because (Ted?) Faro erased all Humanity Knowledge that was stored in Apollo. GAIA and her subordinate programs could not impart this knowledge. They could only Teraform and breed humanity letting them into the world. This means humanity never cracked the codes for the Faro Plague either. Since the Faro Plague already had a "slave" system in place it's likely the plague is what originally infected Hades. Hades then used it's override programs to seize control of all the other systems. Before things could get too horrible GAIA blows herself and Hades up. They are programs so what happens is they lose the physical components needed to interact with things. Transmission antenna, manufacturing arms etc. She also sets Aloy up to fix it all. Even without Apollo GAIA is confident Aloy will rebuild her. Slightly corrupted by the Hades/Faro takeover and without any guidance the subprograms start doing thier own thing. In the case of Haphestus the Teraforming bots start developing anti human defenses. The Thunderjaw should never exist but humans were forced to hunt machines for resources. So Haphestus has been under attack for awhile now and the game tells you that over the last 19 years or so, Aloy birth, the machines started fighting back and getting bigger. They got Mean. This is the Hades/Plague corruption and the death of GAIA. [quote]Was Hades planning on hanging out at the spire, broadcasting that signal for the rest of its existence or what?[/quote]Hades was built to bring about Day 0 over and over again however many times it was needed.. So in a way yes. In its corrupted state Hades Goal is to kill the earth again. But there is no GAIA or Zero Dawn project to save it this time. [quote]As for Sylens....[/quote]I put explanation in other posters reply.[/spoiler]
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7 RepliesI thought the final battle was a bit anticlimactic just fighting a deathbringer. They should have made it where we fight hades as a Metal Devil that would have been cool. Other than that I thought the game was great. And the reason all the machines shut down was because Hades was the AI that made all of the ancient machines possible. He was the one behind their "programming" I guess you could call it to take over everything and try to destroy. So once he was gone, the ancients shut down. As far a rebuilding GAIA, there wasn't much to really see. It's gonna take a long time to rebuild her and we already know how she works. Plus they explained how they could do that at one point in the game. It would just be a matter of time. And who knows that process might be included in the sequel to some degree. With Sylens, the entire game he is just completely obsessed with knowledge. He wants to know everything about the Old Ones no matter the cost. I kind of suspected he may turn and end up being a bad guy. Or at least a man on his own side working on his own terms. I mean think about it. While searching the old ruins during the game, whenever you mentioned something not related to figuring out what the old ones were doing there, he would always shut you up and tell you to focus on discovering the secrets of the place you were in. He never cared about Aloy. He just needed her because she was the only one who could access these secrets. And that's why he didn't help with the final battle. I think he knew Aloy would be able to win, and he left to prepare for what came next. I think he told Aloy his story just to kind of appease her. At the very end, I kinda saw that as Sylens capturing whatever was left of Hades into that container. I didn't read that as Hades necessarily working with Sylens. Hades has to be very disconnected with everything and very weak. With his connections to the ancient machines severed, because they did indeed shut down, which wouldn't have happened if he was still at "full power" so to speak. I think Sylens takes advantage of this to safely interrogate Hades without running the risk of being betrayed again. Since everyone thinks he's dead now.
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2 Replies[spoiler]My Theory For The Upcoming Story Expansion Is Silens Is Going To Let Out Hades Trying To Control It But In Turn mess things up even more than they were before. I thought aloy brought Gaia back when she took down Hades and started to make the world what her "mom" (clone) wanted. [/spoiler]
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1 Reply[spoiler]what about the initial "glitch" that caused the Timor/Hartz swarm to go rogue? Elizabet says something about exposing him if he doesn't cough up the funds to build zero dawn[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesEdited by TommyG: 4/15/2017 9:20:25 AM[spoiler]I actually liked sylens ending. He definetly was never out to help you, that was obvious. He was so obsessed with knowledge that he uses Aloy to get what he wanted. Hades. Remember the last spear you use, and the one that 'kills' Hades, actually belongs to Sylens, so I don't think Hades magically makes his way to Sylens, I think it's what Sylens had planned all along.[/spoiler] Edit: [spoiler]I was under the impression that the Master Override worked like a giant On/Off switch for Hades as well...it's a little confusing tho since we didn't really destroy Hades. Im assuming that when we (well sylens) removed him from the Horus, it stopped the signal he was sending out to the machines, deactivating them. Only explanation I have. Also, GAIA is destroyed so there's no way you'd be geting to speak to her after the Hades fight.[/spoiler]
