No, you see, when you're an elite player, you're not supposed to die. At all. Nothing should kill you. Not even grenades, or TLW. So, we're all just supposed to wander around aimlessly, kinda like clay pigeons, so that the elite players can just kill us even easier. We should have nothing that can kill them. Not stickies, not shotguns, not snipers. Etc. They're toxic. They've ruined a great game, or what had a lot of potential. All we can do is hope that the second game is none in the same, other than the title of the game. I hope it's a ground up revamp. It's needed. They also need to get a clue as to what "players" want, and not just streamers, sole pvp players, and trials tryhardians. I've never spent this amount of time on a game in my life. Others I've played though, make this one seem silly sometimes though. I understand that there will be tools (weapons, abilities) that are stand outs, but they shouldn't stand so far out, that other options seem almost ignorant to equip. Modern Warfare for example. A lot of people run the m16 with stopping power. It's consistent, and sucks to play against. However, I've beat that set-up many times, with weapons that will kill extremely quickly, or played to my weapons role better, instead of looking for the "best" of the best. In destiny, that isn't a thing. There's just performers, and then there's garbage. Like, 1v1, Palindrome vs Free Will, players of equal skill? The pali will win. The gunfight is almost one sided. Even trying to play around the fact that one has a lower impact, doesn't make up for the rate of fire difference. They messed this game up. Period.