Really? Just really?

For starters, this game has ALWAYS been shotgun dominated, aside from trials, and don't try saying it's the only competitive mode and it's what matters because if that was the case people would snipe in sweats, but they don't. Share this video https://youtu.be/kO9QEvPAunA

[quote] For the entire lifecycle of the game, as well as being more pronounced in the first few months of year 2, the end-all be-all strategy has been sniping.[/quote] Wrong. [quote]The only counter when fighting anyone remotely proficient with a sniper rifle, is to snipe them back.[/quote] Wrong. Wrong. [quote]No matter what Bungie has tried, The game always ends up a snipefest.[/quote] Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. [quote]I've got my popcorn ready, bring on the salt.[/quote] No sir, [b]you[/b] are the one holding [b]all of the salt[/b]. If this game has been nothing but a 3 year snipe fest, we would have never seen: - multiple shotgun nerfs - multiple fusion rifle nerfs - the current sidearm meta we have now In my 3 years playing this game, the only time I experienced any issue with snipers was with the final round meta, and listening to the other team firing off two rounds at the start of the match. Snipers have been balanced for a long time, and have always been what they were in prior games made by Bungie: 1 shot to the face, 2 to the body. It is a high risk, high reward weapon, and in the right hands can be devastating,[b] just like with previous games[/b]. HOWEVER, that does not mean there has not been a counter, because there always has been. Your inability to find it is not the devs fault. Any scout would cause crazy flinch on a sniper, the only sniper I know of with radar while zoomed was the Pat&Tim (which hardly anyone uses) so flanking is relatively easy considering every map has cover and side paths to get everywhere, and simply closing the distance on a sniper gives [b]you[/b] the advantage. Just like it was since 2001 with Halo CE. Nothing has changed. After a certain point one simply has to accept that they need to improve rather than want a game to fit to their specific mold.

Ability kills and a shotgun aren't going to save you in Destiny 2... have fun with your thread though.

I could tell you how you are wrong, but just scroll through and read the comments with the most upvotes and you'll get the same message. Lol, sniper dominated game... how silly. Now... special dominated? You could argue that. But just snipers? Please... Lol. I still detest the silly 'mapador' craze too. Lol, please, mapador was not impressive if you experienced Felwinter glory. It was just a common tactic a lot of people used against a lot of other people who don't like shotguns in general anyway, and some will find any reason to shut them down just because 'killed by shotgun' popped up. Me personally, fusions were killing it after they got their buffs back. Before that, good Hand Cannons + Sniper + Sticky/AoE grenade were amazing. Oh, and life steal. Lots and lots of life steal. Have fun with your sidearm though. Because... yeah, that was the answer.

I don't understand is only sniping a problem? The objective is to win right so it's war any means necessary I don't get it everyone has access to snipers and everything else. If your good it shouldn't be a problem

I can't wait to not have no skill people rush me with shotguns like chickens with their heads cut off.

No salt. You're basically right. Bungie was unwilling to make the changes to the game necessary to properly balance primary weapons and special weapons. They were determined that the game would play and feel like Halo....but this resulted in a TTK that was too slow for player movement speed, and too slow to properly disadvantage people caught at longer ranges with a shotgun.....or close range with a sniper. The redesign of the Crucible was Bungie's admission of failure. So instead of balancing these weapons by allowing primaries to kill about 25-30% faster.....they are just going to treat these OHK weaposn as short-lived power-ups that dont' require balancing (like heavy weapons currently are).

Yes because the game should revolve around the PvP cryhards and ruin the other half of the game because "someting kiwed me". PvP is the bane of this game's existence and its been proven again with D2.

The main thing that bothers me with snipers is how little penalty there is for using a sniper. People can strafe from behind a cover with their aim perfectly lined up with your head, which they can't see yet and get a perfect crit kill. Any other game, if you moved at all, the sway would be insane. A lot people say flinch is pretty bad on snipers, but the amount of times i've been one shotted whilst popping some guy in the head with a scout rifle with HCR, whilst sidestepping quickly, says otherwise. No penalty to rapid fire, allowing people to 2 tap you in the body before you can even jump away. Running around using a sniper like a shotgun, hipfiring or quickscoping from a metre away. It's very frustrating.

I like aggressive, close quarters sniping with low zoom, light scope rifles: NLB, Uzume RR4. It's fun. On the other hand, I feel sad for hardscopers, camping at the end of sniper lanes, because that is the boring way to play the game. But it's their choice. I hope D2 would have proper sniper rifles for PvP with quickdraw/snapshot, low zoom, low range, and nice, light scopes. Cheers, LEXX

I like the d2 crucible changes from what I have seen.

Wow you couldn't be any more wrong lol felwinters sniper days? Matador days? Thorn days? You seem to be missing huge chunks of destiny memory.

Did you just magically skip the shotgun metas?

If it's not snipers it'll be something else, mark my word. The one constant in this equation is that people here never quit bitching.