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Edited by G33KBOSS01:
9/14/2017 4:16:10 PM
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Why Some People Don't Want to Play With a Fireteam
Hi,
I’m a D1 player who logged over 3000 hours.
I play Crucible all the time, it’s my favorite Destiny Activity. I’m decent, not great.
(I hate Rumble BTW. Ironic, I know. I actually live for being a team player)
I did all the Raids, a lot. (I didn’t get Rise of Iron)
I was in a very successful Clan in D1(Knights of the Phoenix)
I have a lot friends on my friendlist.
So why do I, and other people, prefer to play solo 90% of the time?
There are several reasons, and I will try to be as concise as possible.
I HAVE LIMITED TIME TO PLAY:
When I get home, if I have time, I just want to jump into whatever activity
I feel like playing. I don’t want to see who is online, what activity they are doing, jump into their party,
ask them if they want to do what I want to do, wait in orbit, wait for two other people to join, or respond
to my messages, and THEN deal with the apology messages of, sorry already full etc etc.
I HAVE EMOTIONAL ANGST ABOUT THESE SOCIAL INTERACTIONS:
When I ask for friends to join me who are engaged in another activity I feel like I am bothering them.
Whether this is true or not, this is how it makes me feel, and I would rather not deal with it.
I DON’T ALWAYS FEEL LIKE TALKING:
Often times in these groups people are chatting away about their personal life, and it can be
overwhelming to me. I DO enjoy talking about the game, like callouts in PvP, but usually the
constant conversation about day-to-day life stresses me out and takes me out of the experience
I am trying to enjoy. (I hate CO-OP in story modes, because I can’t focus on the experience AT ALL)
This probably sounds funny to some people, but I bet for A LOT of solo players this is one of their
main reasons for preferring the Lone-Wolf.
THE STOP-START EXPERIENCE WITH GROUPS IS GRATING:
Play a match. One person leaves. 5 Minutes in Orbit till someone else can join. Play a match,
two people leave. Find replacements. Another 5 minutes. This tends to stress me out a lot.
I don’t know if I am coming off as a whiny wuss, but I wanted to shed some light on
why a lot of Guardians might prefer to play Solo. Maybe I am way off base.
Comments will let me know I guess.
EDIT: There appears to be some confusion here so I will clarify. I don't want Destiny to change. It should be a social game. It's awesome that way. I DO have a good time in 90% of Fireteams. I play with people all the time. The ONLY thing I would want either removed or tweaked is Skill Based Matchmaking. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT. I'm just trying to give a perspective of why players choose to play Solo. Even with friends, not everyone can beat a Raid or go Flawless in Trials, and that is the way it should be. I LOVE DESTINY.
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Thissssss 90% of the time I play solo for the same reasons.
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I agree with some things. I mainly go solo as well. I must say you stress to much tho. Maybe you were just explaining it that way so every one could understand. I hope so. If not you need to do something about your stress level. It's gonna kill you bud.
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2 RepliesEdited by A Syrian Refugee: 9/14/2017 6:57:04 PMI feel like this "solo players are getting -blam!-ed" thing is getting blown out of proportions. I'm a solo player but I realize that some activities need to require fireteams Bungie DID make Destiny 2 more casual solo friendly. Do you guys see the loot you can get from Patrolling???? The loot in patrol is as good as anywhere in the game! Raids, Trials, Nightfalls are supposed to be the hardest events in the game. If they make these events doable solo then that would mean theyd have to make the entire event easier which would make the game boring As for crucible, crucible has always been if you face a fireteam while playing solo chances are youll lose. It hasn't changed. This is how it is in literally every PVP game
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Nailed it. I enjoy playing with others, but I'm generally limited on time, or pretty tired and just go explore to relax.
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If it wasn't for effortless matchmaking into Strikes I would drop Destiny long time ago. Surprisingly I'm in decent clan and done all the raids and burned through all co-op heavy content out of necessity. I just don't feel like talking when I play, I love the immersion and anyone else in my "fantasy world" is breaking it, making me feel like playing a video game instead of projecting myself in this beautifully crafted world.
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Edited by Gilganomics: 9/14/2017 8:04:26 PMBasically yeah - all of that. I even named my clan in honor of the fact that I prefer going alone. I play a lot with one close friend, but our dynamic is built on almost a decade of playing games together. I still join fire teams for all the PVP/PVE stuff, but usually just mute my mic. Plus, I hate hearing all the lazy trash people spew out of their mouth behind anonymity. I don't tell other people how to think or behave, but it always feels like the players who say they don't want politics in their games say the most inflammatory sh*t
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1 ReplyEdited by Sixclicks: 9/14/2017 7:02:09 PM1. Yep, limited time. I agree completely with this. 2. I too have difficulty with online social interactions, but it's a little different. I spent about 5 years playing an MMO with a very close-knit, no-nonsense, hardcore guild. We were the top guild on our server. I think that experience taught me not to trust randoms and also created a strong desire within myself to never burden the party. So I dread joining PUGs, and I am very concious of every mistake I might make even though I very rarely mess up and I'd consider myself an above average player. You got berated any time you messed up in that MMO because it caused XP loss for the rest of the group. It also means I very easily get annoyed when others continuously fail to listen to instructions or mess up. It's a lot easier once I get to know you though. 3. I don't mind conversation. I do prefer it to be relevent to the game though. I hate when someone talks nonstop or has annoying background noise on their mic all the time though. 4. Yep, I hate the whole stop-start-stop-start thing. This goes hand-in-hand with limited play time. So because of all that, I mostly play solo or in a 2-man fireteam with my brother who has the same MMO background. I know I can trust he knows what he's doing.
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I agree with most of what you are saying and have often felt the same way.
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I second this
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2 RepliesEdited by Provolonios: 9/14/2017 7:17:37 PMDude you nailed it on the head, ive been trying to express these exact feelings for years and i haven't seen anyone explain it better, i never have been able to find the right words. I sincerely thank you for this post.
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A freaking men. I have friends online and the fire teams r fine, but the constant chatter is awful. I won’t go into a raid because I get that communication is a priority, but control , kill confirmed , etc., please. These aren’t civilization 5 research decisions being made in real time. Stick together, don’t get shot, don’t run around in the middle of the map and back off if your losing the exchange. Seriously we don’t need to talk about that strategy. Do we? Also not to rain on anyones parade, but I have yet to hear any information spoken online from halo 2 , GW, CD to Destiny that was actually pertinent or insightful. Other than there’s a cave that bleeds loot on the first planet. Some of this is generational I’m sure, but u young bucks need to lay off the old men. We play for different reasons.
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11 RepliesI like adult, whitty, patient banter. Not young uns screaming -blam!- at each other, which they seem to find hilarious. In my experience, raiding with a group of UK adult players is far more relaxing and banterful than with Americans.
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1 ReplyHoly crap, you just explained what I've been trying to for ages. On point, dude.
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Sometime I'm simply too tired to talk to people but not tired enough to watch TV. I would love a solo queue for Destiny 2.
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3 RepliesPeople always seem to put not wanting to play in a fireteam down to social anxiety. It's not that at all for me as I spend most of my working day talking to people I don't know so don't really want to do that when I'm 'relaxing'. If I had real life friends who played then yes I would play with them, but I don't so I play solo. I don't want to talk to randoms about whatever, the same reason I have never picked up the phone, dialed a random number and chatted about nothing to the person who answered. Destiny is a game so we should all be able to play as we want, but Bungie have gone even further down the 'fireteam' path (clans, nightfall timer, and two of the first three exotic quests requiring fireteams are examples of this) even though they said it was going to be more casual friendly.
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Tbh I play crucible solo just for listening to music and beast at the same time :)
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I agree fellow guardian.
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2 RepliesEdited by JHarv: 9/14/2017 5:23:58 PMI'm over partying up to organize (and lead) a bunch of random people to loot. 10 years ago I would have been all up in that, but it's not relaxing and not fun anymore. Relaxing to me is doing coop activities that don't require much coordination but still a little bit to hack around in. Strikes are good for that, but not very rewarding. Archons Forge was really fun to kill some time in. PvP is normally fun when its relaxed but has turned into a hyper competitive sweat fest for people who play 14 hours a day with their clan (ie most streamers) So idk. I guess Destiny doesn't have much to offer the player who likes unorganized coop, light competition, a massive variety of rewards and tinkering to loadouts, and exploration.
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1 ReplyI can't concentrate. I like everybody in my clan, and get along with them really good. But I can't concentrate, when there's 20 people in party chat, all talking about the different activities they're doing. And since they're not using the game-chat, their Mic icon doesn't show up, so I have no idea who's talking sometimes. It's very confusing for me. I like to play with them for harder activities, when I need help, or if they invite me. But I did 90% of the story missions, and adventures by myself, so I could pay attention to the story, and what I needed to do exactly. But, I hear ya on feeling like you're bugging people. I rarely send an invite, because of that, but I usually always accept invites.
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1 ReplyI've been talking to people I don't know and following orders and doing things for people I don't know for 36 years. I'm tired of talking to and doing things for people. I'm tired of making new friends I have plenty. If you're my actual friend I'll play with and talk to you but I don't have any interest in meeting new people through psn. It's not gamer tinder.
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Playing SOLO is One hundred percent cool and i like to do it a lot myself. The only PROBLEM are entitled people who think EVERY game mode and endgame activity should cater to solo players. This is a MMO and people KNOW this when buying it. I'm not saying you are one of these people but I feel like this post is a response to those complainer posts. A lot of activities in destiny can be done without mics. Most of them in fact. But all your reasons for not wanting to be in a party are valid. Ive muted many people in my chats because they literally never shut up lol.
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1 ReplyI completely agree. I joined a clan for the extra bonuses, but I primarily play solo. I seek out people to check out the stuff you need fireteams for (nightfall and raids) but I solo almost everything else. Most of the fireteams I randomly join are awful. I did Wrath of the Machine once. It was pretty good up until the end. Some people were experts, some people like me were learning. The experts were stressing out, and the people learning would get close to figuring it out, then quit. Then you'd get another guy who needed to learn all over. It was similar for the raid before that too. I usually check out the raid once or twice, but stick to other stuff to play around and raise my light level.
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I TOTALLY agree with you my friend... When I get home, I just want to have fun... I'm a total lone wolf despite being part of a clan! Raids are just not interesting to me. I just want to get into the game... Zero chitter chatter and have some down time. Plus, I don't consider myself a casual player either. I absorb Destiny!
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2 Replies"Emotional angst"? i hope you are not actually that soft and delicate.
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I feel this at a personal level. I have friends from D1 (raid and trials teams) as well as irl friends that have gotten D2 that hit me up for story missions, or just casual playing that I'm just not a fan of partied up. I hit my destination with a mission, and when I fulfill said mission, I'm on to the next agenda. It's not fun for other people to join in on me while I'm handling my business, but that is the way that I enjoy the game and feel like it's most rewarding. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely love helping out. Whether it's a friend, or if I see a level 5 on a public event, I will turn it into heroic and carry them through for rewards, or experience and stuff like that. I'll weaken enemies for them if I see they're going for an objective, and I always wave/emote when I find a chest and/or materials. I've helped friends get their exotic weapons, but I refused help when I was at 240 light going for the mida on the quest that required 260. I don't mind partying up with a friend if we have the same objectives, but I'm not gonna run around and do patrols afterwards if it's not on my agenda. I haven't joined a clan because I'm waiting for the right group of bamfs that know the ways of the NLB from D1. That was the only thing that kept me playing in D1 honestly. Wrecking whole fire teams with nothing but the no land. Ahh the glory days
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I get where you are coming from but I like a game to stay true to its intended function and for destiny that's team based activities. I always get a little concerned when I see stuff like this as it is understandable but conflicts with what destiny is and I don't want to see destiny re modeled to fit the least common denominator. I also have a clan that was made with some friends I and we have been recruiting new people and I'm personally a little sketchy as the clan was originally meant for people we have known and played with for a fair bit of time. We need the clan to grow so we can level faster so I'm willing to let people in I just am a little anxious about that.
