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10/25/2017 7:51:45 PM
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You're forgetting the word approximately. What's 400 to us could be 4000 to them. Probably not that much but they are in crisis mode so who knows.
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IF you really think that, why are you even on this board? Again if you think that you should get rid any any destiny title you have and leave this forum. No I'm not telling you to leave nor would I at least not seriously. I'm simply saying it makes no sense to be here or play the game if that is the way you feel and what you think.
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I don't follow what I said that got your response? Thousands have been banned temporarily, "approximately" 400 have been perma banned.
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[quote]You're forgetting the word approximately. What's 400 to us could be 4000 to them. [/quote]
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 10/25/2017 8:39:29 PMNobody rounds up 400 to 4000 and even if it were a typo, an edit would have been made quickly. And how does anyone know they’re in crisis mode? By every comment and news update they’ve made they don’t appear to be feeling a crisis...
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He obviously meant there were thousands of posts about issues and there only 400 banned right. He even said here and Reddit. How hard is this to understand, you -blam!-ing lemming.
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What proof do you or him have? Upvotes or actual posts? Are you also counting people replying h same thing across topics or every reply by people who just commenting on the topics? Have [i]any[/i] of you counted?
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Do you have eyes? Have you even looked at Reddit? You're asking me about what is in plain site. I'm not attacking you however you might be blind.
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Checked the d2 sub reddit Several pages in and I found about 15 posts talking about bans Even adding up the up votes and comments(which in some cases are no doubt by some of the same users) it didn't reach "thousands"
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No I have not, I’m busy. But that still doesn’t answer the questions.
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I call bullshit on their numbers. [quote]The following is true: Destiny 2 cannot automatically ban you, only Bungie can ban a player after a manual investigation Yesterday, we banned approximately 400 players on PC[/quote] So you manually investigated people who got banned before they could create a character....bullshit
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Article clearly states some of the bans came from the Beta as In players were already trying to hack/cheat or use code manipulating software prior to the full game release. Bungie would want to do everything in their power to stop potential hackers and cheats at launch and as early as possible otherwise legit players would soon quit and a similar scenario to what happened with the divisions dark zone hacking would occur.
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 10/25/2017 8:09:19 PMAnd you know it’s thousands because [i]somone counted them all[/i]? It’s not an exaggeration only for the purpose of making it sound like a bigger issue than it is? Not a [i]single[/i] person who says they’re banned could [i]possibly[/i] be lying, not realizing they did violate something they just didn’t read, or assuming they’re banned when it’s something on their machine or the game not functioning properly/bugged and they’re not actually banned? There’s simply NO WAY Bungie could be telling the truth huh, or that “400” could at most be a small round up/down... uh huh
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I never said the "banned" users weren't lying. Just pointing out the bullshit that they manually investigated 400 people that fast, some of which never made it past character creation. Bungo is in damage control, so they are going to make it look as miniscule as possible. Stating numbers without facts to back it up isn't truth. This company has been shady for quite some time now. I don't trust them anymore.
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 10/25/2017 9:18:52 PMThere’s undoubtedly some automation to capture people deemed worth investigating, but consider the fact that a single person can probably investigate possibly 5-10 flagged cases a minute. Times that by 3-5 people investigating and that’s 15-50 cases per minute. 400 people across an entire day is nowhere near hard to accomplish. Those who were banned before logging in could likely have been banned before in the beta or triggered an actual automated ban targeting specifically malicious software (whether the persons knew they had it installed or not). Some cheat software used on other games, even if not launched, we’ve known since the beta would cause bans. And also, Bungie I believe said some game and computer failures are not actually bans. So no, I remain skeptical it’s thousands and if it is, I’m still skeptical it adds up to somehow a majority being wrongfully done or some malicious conspiracy.
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I disagree with being able to investigate 15-50 cases a minute. If they were that quick to ban, then it wasn't thorough enough imo. Yes, some may have been from Beta already, but it would still be shady to ban someone AFTER beta, let them buy the game and then find out. That's just dirty.
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I said assuming it was 3-5 people doing the investigating, simultaneously. Of course it's an estimate though. I don't know how long the average case took (or why it would take long for them to think about) or how many people were actually investigating. But given the importance of PC being a first for them and they importance they've put on it, It's not at all out of the question that they would put more than a couple people on the job and be able to get a lot of investigating done in one day. [quote]Yes, some may have been from Beta already, but it would still be shady to ban someone AFTER beta, let them buy the game and then find out. That's just dirty.[/quote] No more "shady" than it was to ban people who violated the clearly written policy and listed software prior to the beta. If some genius got banned in the beta and then goes out and still buys the game, that's on them.
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I don't disagree with your last point, but you can't ban someone without informing them and just allow them to purchase your product, knowing they won't be able to play it.
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 10/25/2017 10:31:45 PMMost games don't inform someone in advance with a warning that they're about to be banned. And how would Bungie inform people they've been banned if they've never played D2 on PC in the first place? That doesn't make any sense. They aren't scanning people's computers for known threats when people go to check out and purchase. There's 4 different places to buy the game that aren't run by Bungie. If anyone should be mad they were allowed to purchase they should be mad at the places they purchased from for not scanning their computers or asking them to verify whether they've got banned stuff on their computers. Bungie already gave out ample information and time about what things will get people banned and what is allowed. Anyone who got banned during the beta and assumed they could buy the game and play without still being banned is entirely their own fault for assuming.
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I wasn't saying inform them they are about to be banned. I was referring to being banned AFTER beta finished. Either way, none of it makes sense and it's still a shady situation. We can agree to disagree on this one.
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There's two possibilities with being banned after the beta: 1) They were reported during the beta and the case didn't reach investigation until after it ended. The person still did something wrong though. They likely would have been banned after their purchase regardless, but at least Battle.net is giving out refunds from what I hear. 2) They had something considered malicious that was caught by automation when they first logged in after their purchase. Which again, can't be warned of in advance without any or all of the 4 retailers performing some sort of desktop scan for banned things at checkout. No matter what there are no systems in place on any of these retail sites to catch bannable violations exist OUTSIDE of the game before a person makes a purchase and then later triggers it. People banned might be sent an email, but I don't know.
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What about Option 3 being the system is jacked up. I just don't by the "manual" ban part.
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 10/25/2017 11:48:43 PMI don't doubt there is likely some kind of automated banning for specific plugins and third-party software that are [i]known[/i] cheats. Every game I've played I've seen people claim they are innocent and banned for no good reason. Very rarely was it [i]actually[/i] true, but it gets exaggerated nonetheless. The dilemma is whether someone should be banned before or after they've used something to actually cheat. Bungie is taking the "no risks" zero tolerance approach it seems. That isn't to say it's necessarily right or wrong, but it does a good job of preserving game integrity. If this only affects a few thousand people (more than what Bungie has claimed), then that's a fair tradeoff compared to millions of players. If there is a problem with the aggressiveness of their banning from an automated system, it will likely be found soon. If not, then it's more likely opinions that the "system is jacked up" is imagined. Or we can always blame cheaters for ruining games for the rest of us.
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Edited by Inskey_: 10/25/2017 8:00:42 PMnah Bungie has a long history, especially lately, of telling the absolute truth at all times. See the reason on destiny tracker for why the daily population tracker (that has been used for almost 4 years now without issue, keep in mind) was taken down. Rock -blam!-ing solid.
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Blame yourselves for that.
