Smoke here, Here's my problem with the fixes. I don't care about almost all of them. PVP IS STILL GOING TO BE TERRIBLE! Where is the 6 vs 6? 4v4 is a step back, and not fixing it is obnoxious. Lost game modes? The rift, mayhem, rumble, inferno. Why would you take that away in the first place and especially not fix it! Why can't we pick anymore what game mode we want to play? I like to do what I like to do. Thanks for being [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]'s and taking away or freedom of choice. Team shooting is awful in crucible and needs to go. Grenades since the dawn of bungie time have been lethal with 1 accurate hit or stick in pvp. Taking it away just shows you lost your soul. Not giving it back just shows us "the players" you don't care about finding your soul. The weapons system is still poor compared to D1 with the kinetic, energy, power, vs the old primary, secondary, and heavy. As well as where the weapons fall into these catergories, like basically everything from the old primary class being the entire kinetic and energy classes and the "power" weapons consisting of everything else. Just the overall lack of options in everything from D1 is a step back and pathetic. The new locations are not icons like Earth, Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, or even the Asteroid belt. Why don't you bring them back and if you need a new are idea idk try America and name it look like an apocalyptic version. Space Needle over grown with weeds. I-5 with hover cars crashed and rusted out on it. We still have no machine guns and we still have grenade launchers. Worst trade ever! I don't mind the pve. It was fine. Sure it could be better. But the crucible, weapons, and lack of options (THAT WE ALREADY FREAKIN HAD IN THE BETTER GAME) are the worst parts of the new game pitiful game. Not the nonsense you guys are trying to "fix." -Smoke out