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1/3/2018 1:28:13 AM
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Then you better not play a game made by EA, 343, Ubisoft, Blizzard, 2K, Bethesda, Bioware, Capcom, etc. On Fridays.
Considering there is literally nothing obtained from Eververse that will give you any advantage over another player. Everything (except for a limited time event) can be obtained by literally just playing the game. Literally everything that you do gives you experience towards Bright Engrams. Everything in Eververse is purely cosmetic.
Now, let's look at the examples that I gave:
EA: Madden 2018 [spoiler]https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/75710237[/spoiler]
In order to obtain the max ranking for your team you are required to purchase cards. There is no other way to obtain said cards.
343: Halo 5
The only "endgame" items to obtain in halo 5 are purely cosmetic armor, and weapons for one time use in Warzone. Both obtained with req packs. Which can be purchased. This allows anyone the ability to literally purchase every unlockable item in the game...
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Origins
[spoiler]https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-loot-boxes/[/spoiler]
Has both loot boxes, and items that can literally only be obtained with real money.
Blizzard: World Of Warcraft
[spoiler]https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20420212723[/spoiler]
You purchase the game, pay a monthly subscription, and there are still items only obtainable by using real money.
2K: NBA2K18
[quote]https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/nba-2k18-is-riddled-with-microtransactions-1818554307/amp[/quote]
Literally pay to win.
Bethesda: skyrim /fallout 4 / quake
[spoiler]https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/M0aV9hAi-bethesda-went-from-one-of-my-fave-game-studios-to-my-most-despised-now[/spoiler]
Reducing the capability of modders, and also now charging for mods.
Also, quake has skins that are only unlockable via money purchases.
Bioware: Mass Effect
[spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-10-23-manveer-heir-bioware-mass-effect-ea-monetisation
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In the article it explains that someone spent literally 15,000,000 on microtransactions. Need I say more?
Capcom: Street Fighter
[spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2011/03/17/capcom-and-the-abuse-of-customer-loyalty-dlc/amp/[/spoiler]
Charge money for costumes. Those costumes are not unlock able in the game any other way (like destiny Eververse items are).
I also believe in the new one it costs money to unlock characters as well. (but this I do not know 100 percent)
As you can see, every developer I previously listed has microtransactions for games that you need to initially purchase to begin with, that are locked behind a "pay wall". Some even make it a requirement in order to max level (Madden). Not all purely cosmetic like Destiny either. Halo 5 offers its entire endgame for purchase. So be sure to boycott those companies as well.
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Correction. There is no advantages over another player in D2. Play all you want or not at all. There's no progression or power to be gained. That's a problem. Eververse is a discussion which needs to happen between Bungie and Activision. Something's gotta give when D2 respects neither time or money.
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[quote]Correction. There is no advantages over another player in D2. Play all you want or not at all. There's no progression or power to be gained. That's a problem. Eververse is a discussion which needs to happen between Bungie and Activision. Something's gotta give when D2 respects neither time or money.[/quote] Respectable response.
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The usefulness of items are not in question here. But the fact that there are so many items that you can only obtain through Eververse in the game that is about getting loot (strong guns, cool-looking shit - doesn't matter) is bull. Just imagine if in D1 Age of Triumph ornaments for new armor were hidden in Eververse. I don't wish to grind for lootboxes in hope of getting, for example, exotic Ghost because the process of grinding for EXP in D2 is outright boring, nor do I want to spend my money on engrams for a ghostly (sorry) chance of getting what I want. They should've made bounties that at least contain some of Eververse items or give couple of those goddamn lootboxes. But alas, that won't ever happen. We all know Bungie's shenanigans with EXP, that case tells a lot.
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Bethesda... Really? Skyrim?...man. 343...Just gonna let you think these were good examples. Good day now.
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[quote]Bethesda... Really? Skyrim?...man. 343...Just gonna let you think these were good examples. Good day now.[/quote] I provided my reasons. As far as Bethesda goes, I even provided a source. Good day now.
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Bump for logical well-written rebuttal.
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Stop defending them you stupid piece of shit you want this game to get better then don't play friday and eververse has ghost shells that give advantages as well as armor sets so you check m8 -blam!-er don't play on Friday
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[quote]Stop defending them you stupid piece[/quote] Where did I defend microtransactions? [quote]of shit you want this game to get better then don't play friday[/quote] Where did I say I didn't want the game better? Where did I say I was playing Friday? [quote]and eververse has ghost shells that give advantages[/quote] Ghost shells with the same exact advantages can be obtained by leveling up your character. Reputation for this can be obtained by doing literally any activity in the game. Some of the games I listed above give players an advantage that can only be obtained via microtransactions. You do no agree that the games that provide unique advantages obtained via microtransactions should not also be boycotted? [quote]as well as armor sets so you check m8 -blam!-er don't play on Friday[/quote] Armor sets that have the same base stats as the ones obtained anywhere else. Armor sets with no mods applied to them. Armor sets that require you to infuse other armor into them in order to wear them during endgame activity. There is no advantage to wearing Eververse armor. If anything it's more of a disadvantage because you need to obtain and infuse other armor to raise the power, and use an armor mod to even make it relevant. Please stop with the senseless name calling until you can actually disprove anything I said. Grow up and stop with the assumptions, they just make you look bad.
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See you Friday
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Wow. Really? A ghost shell that gives an advantage? I don’t really care that one ghost gives xp boosts for any activity. You can use the fireteam boons and get the same exact thing. That’s being quite childish saying a ghost shell gives an advantage.
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your examples are just.... pure garbage for the most part. you cant take solo/offline games and throw them into any sort of the same category as mtx for online games and p2w online games. its just nowhere near the same thing as it does not effect anyone else. as for WoW I've played off and on since 2006 and I remember when they first introduced in game items for real money. there was some controversy and fear of p2w. and over the years it has remained cosmetic pets, mounts, and tmogs. exception being the character boosting but even that has a hand full of restrictions and limits on it and doesn't put anyone at an advantage over someone else for using it. main point towards WoW is they never lied about it. where as Bungie has slowly been including more and more than just the emotes that was originally all they said it was going to be for. i believe the fact that bungie cant keep their shit straight is really the core of what the majority of these pissy players are actually pissed about.
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[quote]your examples are just.... pure garbage for the most part. you cant take solo/offline games and throw them into any sort of the same category as mtx for online games and p2w online games. its just nowhere near the same thing as it does not effect anyone else.[/quote] That's why I listed more than just solo/offline games. [quote]as for WoW I've played off and on since 2006 and I remember when they first introduced in game items for real money. there was some controversy and fear of p2w. and over the years it has remained cosmetic pets, mounts, and tmogs. exception being the character boosting but even that has a hand full of restrictions and limits on it and doesn't put anyone at an advantage over someone else for using it. [/quote] Well, in comparison your pet is your ghost. Your mount is your sparrow. Tmogs are your exotic blueprints. Eververse does have an item that allows you to get more xp... But that being said, you should be able to get to max level (25) just by completing the story and a few strikes. (Level, not power level. XP does not help power level because once you hit 25 you only get more Eververse items for leaving up.) That being said, you do not have any advantage over other players with Eververse either. [quote]main point towards WoW is they never lied about it. where as Bungie has slowly been including more and more than just the emotes that was originally all they said it was going to be for.[/quote] True, but that still doesn't make it ok does it? As Destiny currently is it is very similar as to how you explain WoW. [quote]i believe the fact that bungie cant keep their shit straight is really the core of what the majority of these pissy players are actually pissed about. [/quote] I agree, but boycotting one game because of microtransactions, while there are others that you cannot even fully level up your team to max level without microtransactions, and others that are literally pay to win, wouldn't make sense unless you boycotted them as well. Nowhere do I say not to boycott. I simply point out that it isn't just a Bungie thing.
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Edited by StupidSlinky: 1/3/2018 6:26:50 PMboycotting other games isn't an issue because this is the game people are playing or want to keep playing lol. i was about to say WoW pets are pure vanity items.. then I remembered their pokem- er.. pet battle system. i Have a couple store pets (gifts) and last I recall they don't seem all that different from normal pets other than looks so I'm not sure how it effects things really. ghost shells get perks and mods so moot point I guess other than pets dont effect the player directly ornaments are equivalent of tmog items. and sparrows = mounts unless bungie reintroduces SRL then you have the advantage of all the faster sparrows being EV
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Endgame in halo? That’s not a thing. Halos have no ending, it’s a circle.
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[quote]Endgame in halo? That’s not a thing. Halos have no ending, it’s a circle.[/quote] Can't dispute this. Well done!
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Edited by RoseScythe: 1/3/2018 4:04:49 AMI love how the #RemoveEververse sheep are rendered speechless by the logic bomb you just dropped. [quote]Well-supported logical arguments are bad. Emotional ranting is good.[/quote] Smh. [i]This[/i] needs its own thread.
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Microtransactions in Mass Effect games are free. You can get them with credits earned from playing multiplayer matches. No one has to spend money on them unless they want to. In Destiny there is no way to obtain silver in game to obtain eververse items for those that actually want them, whether or not they're purely cosmetic. You are literally comparing apples to oranges.
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Hum, then why when I breakdown an item earned from a bright engramdies it give me silver dust that can be used to purchase items from eververse? Interesting to say the least.
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Edited by RoseScythe: 1/3/2018 4:07:46 AM[quote]In Destiny there is no way to obtain silver in game to obtain eververse items for those that actually want them, whether or not they're purely cosmetic.[/quote] Bright dust says "Hi". Congratulations! You're an idiot.
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oh the bright dust that you get from, mainly, OTHER Eververse items......great comeback....
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Edited by RoseScythe: 1/3/2018 4:34:59 AMYes, the bright dust you get from breaking down unwanted items.. Items you receive from bright engrams.. Bright engrams you get from simply playing the game. [i]That[/i] bright dust.
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pretty sure you just won the internet, dude. you have our thanks.
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Edited by Gu1TaRpuNk41: 1/3/2018 4:32:54 AM[quote]oh the bright dust that you get from, mainly, OTHER Eververse items......great comeback....[/quote] The op says in his defense :[quote]You can get them with credits earned from playing multiplayer matches. No one has to spend money on them unless they want to.[/quote] Eververse items can be obtained by doing literally anything in the game. How many shaders/ships/sparrows are you still hoarding that you will never use? You'd be supprised how much you can get.
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my Titan has Dawning boots/chest/gloves/helmet/Exotic Ship all bought with BD from Eververse (I'm about treefiddy short of the Mark) and all I've done is broken down a shit load of ships/sparrows/shaders which, as you said, were just sat there unused on my character. I hasten to add that I pretty much completely stopped playing D2 for a month or so before CoO dropped and I've only been playing one Char casually since the new content so it's not like I was super hoarding... but hey, what's fact and/or reason got to do this debate, right...?
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But you see it takes forever to get one bright engram even with 3x xp so you really only get maybe one or 2 engrams if you don't play that often and for bright dust unless you have a ton of stuff to get rid of you won't have much for said item you want to get for that week. You are just some idiot who is defending microtransactions. As far as the dawning you only get 2 engrams a week for one character, yeah you can do the daily ones but they won't give you armor or the exotic ghost you may want (yeah we know it's being sold today) but some people don't have that kinda dust to spend. You only get 6 real engrams for the duration of the event and if your luck is bad then you won't get jack. *mic drop*
