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The Possibility That EVERY Major Theory on the Darkness is Correct (part 2)

<Well... here goes Nothing. What is the [b]Darkness[/b]? The Darkness is the ancient enemy of the Traveler, even before the Hive came to be. It was once imprisoned beneath the oceans of Fundament, held there by the Traveler and the Ammonites and the Leviathan (not to be confused with Calus's Grand Leviathan). Since the Hive rose to power, the Darkness was released and has been terrorizing the system for quite a while. One of the first beings to notice the Darkness during the Collapse was Rasputin, the Warmind. He says it inhabits its petitioners, like the Traveler does with humanity and the Guardians. He also calls it many names. IT, the Flower-Eater, and the Queen of Final Shapes. Mainly IT. Why does he call the Darkness these things? Well Flower-Eater is one of the most obvious. The Traveler seeds worlds, the Darkness destroys it. Why IT? Because even to Rasputin it can't be quite comprehended. So let's prove Rasputin wrong... maybe. Why the Queen of Final Shapes? For one thing, the Final Shape is the Darkness' goal. Any lifeform that can't defend itself should be eradicated. It wants to rule the universe. The Final Shape is its rule. Why Queen? Toland ranted on, trying to explain the Darkness. He brings up a thing to relate it to. Imagine three Queens he says. The one that relates to the Darkness is the third, the Queen of the Country of Armies, the one that raises an Army and Conquers everything. Not sure if this is really related to each other, bit of a stretch, but it's not the only thing... Look at this picture: https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/415/032/large/mark-kolobaev-bungie-concept-artstation.jpg?1505983337 This is a [b]supposed[/b] concept for the Tetrahedral Fleet... up-close. Society and whatnot. The Tetrahedral Ships are the cover for this post. This is the enemy of the Traveler. The next piece of evidence for "Queen" comes from this. Notice how all 4 statues are female? The top 2 seem a lot more "royal" than the bottom two as well. Also a leaked quote from Lakshmi-2 says "the hunt for Tenebra has just begun". Tenebra is a feminine Latin word for Darkness. Moving on. Calus apparently saw the Darkness. He described it as the Nothing or the Void that was stronger than him... and he also says it's stronger than the Light but that's what everyone says. Pujari believes that the Darkness is a physical and moral presence. We know it's physical, but moral? An actualization of evil? That's not what IT believes, but IT is also trying to kill all life so... Acataleptic Clause says we are unable to understand the Darkness. That explains why Rasputin just calls the Darkness "IT". The Monist Position says the Darkness is a technologically advanced force, to the point of post-singularity intelligence. Considering it's a massive fleet of ships numbering in the dozens and has the ability to grant powers to its followers, I'm not denying it. The problem with this one is that it comes with the theory that the universe is a simulation. So take this all as you will. Ulan-Tan's Thesis, arguably the most popular theory, is that the Darkness is a necessary symmetry to the Traveler. The biggest piece of evidence for this is when the Traveler woke up after the Red War, so did the Darkness. Saint-14 says the Darkness is an invading alien armada. One that was made because they were straight up REJECTED by the Traveler for their sins. Something to take into account here is that, according to the Perfect Paradox theory, we have yet to meet Saint-14. It's very possible that we meet him shortly before the arrival of or the aftermath of the Darkness. I think we should take him seriously on this matter. Also the fact that he's kinda right. It IS an alien armada... BUT... I refer you back to picture 2. Look in the middle there. A ball covered in markings mostly consisting of circles. Traveler? If that's the case, then it can be inferred that they were rejected. What we know about the Darkness right now through the in-game cutscenes and whatnot is that it's a fleet of Tetrahedral Ships, with one bigass one in the middle of it all. What about its inhabitants? There's picture two, then there's concept art for the "fifth race" that was made ages ago, and then there's Cayde's Journal. Picture 2 depicts them as VERY human-like... almost too human-like. The concept art doesn't help as it's simply a stick figure with a white head. It could theoretically be much more than that. Then again, you have to remember in the original storyline where this art was made had US as the "Darkness". Cayde's Journal depicts 2 shadow creatures. They could very well be some soldiers of the Darkness. One is almost bestial looking and the other is heavily armored. Considering that all we've seen of them and their possible society is like one picture, these two could be a part of it. Otherwise, it could be a hallucination probably caused by the severe pain by the "boiling shadow". Now here we go... directly from the Hive. Records on the Dreadnaught show that the Darkness is an embodiment of the universal struggle for existence. The Traveler does the "peaceful" things and the Darkness annihilates anything incapable of defending themselves. So it may not JUST be an angry armada. Remember the Heart of the Black Garden? Well, there are two theories on what it could be. One is a worm captured by Vex Mind Quria during the Incursion on Oryx's Ascendant Realm. The other theory is that it's a shard of the Darkness. I don't know about you but I don't see any of the ships changing shape like that. Assuming theory 2 is correct, we have a conclusion (or at least until we get more shit). The Darkness is a primordial entity, like the Traveler. Also like the Traveler, it can give its power to anyone it wants. It also has the ability to directly corrupt a being and take control (Taken) or even gift them to another entity. It has an end goal of conquering all that can't bear its might. It also changes shape, which might be why the Hive call it the Formless One. Apparently it can appear as simple black tendrils. Given the Taken, it apparently has its own "Dark Dimension" that it uses to brainwash them. It destroys anything in its path, especially things brought up by the Traveler. However it is a symmetry to the Traveler, suggesting that if it died, then the Darkness would die with it. It is hard to comprehend to the average joe and even Warminds. This means that it keeps itself hidden very well, or just destroys anything capable of understanding it. Right now it's with an armada of Tetrahedral Ships. Those in the ships are humanoid entities that have a female-oriented culture and once worshiped the Traveler... until it rejected them. The ships themselves are capable of destroying entire worlds and rendering any survivors helpless. They are active when there is Light coming from the Traveler, meaning they deactivated when the Traveler went dormant. And now they're on their way. We're -blam!-ed. We're so -blam!-ed.>

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  • Well could The Darkness have it's own kind of dark guardians? What if in D3 or the new TTK sized expansion released this awesome system where you have the ability to choose if you want to embrace the dark? 4 new subclasses come with The Darkness, and 1 new subclass for The Light.

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    • Why do the hive the Vex and the darkness all want to eliminate the weak and leave the best. Wouldn’t they eventually run into each other and destroy each other instead?

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      • Since the darkness has the big mothership and a bunch of smaller ships, what if there is a fleet of travelers and a traveler mothership and the traveler we have is just one of the smaller ones?

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        • So I got a question, could the traveler be a previous iteration of the darkness? For instance, IT wants to chase it's perfect form...if IT thought for a second IT had achieved it's perfect form, would it not automatically try to perfect that and try to destroy it's previous iteration...how would it define perfect, and would it actually ever stop?

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          • Bruh. The queen of armies always wins yo

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          • [quote]We're -blam!-ed. We're so -blam!-ed.>[/quote]THAT is the best conclussion I've ever seen.[spoiler]For real though, kick ass post. Keep up that good work.[/spoiler]

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          • i eat flowers

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            • I throught the worm gods were imprisoned in fundament not the deep. As the deep exists in another universe altogether.

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            • The status in the second pic look like the emissary of the nine

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            • A really well written post but there's still one entity we can't overlook. Nezarec. If this being transcended light and darkness, how does he fit in the story? Do we fight him after the darkness? There's so many questions

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              • Posts like this that delve deep into the backstory and lore make us dream of the possibilities and outcomes the game could give us. Bungie will probably just say "here is the darkness" and six story missions later we have vanquished it.

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                • More story than D1 and D2 combined...

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                • I agree with most of this theory, except for a few things. The Darkness was not imprisoned on Fundament. Sure, the Worm Gods were there, and they’re pretty close to the Darkness, but they aren’t the Darkness itself just as the Traveler isn’t the Light itself. I mean, an entity so ancient and powerful, one that doesn’t even have a form, the only thing that can really hurt the Traveler, should be impossible to imprison anywhere, especially by the Traveler. Otherwise, I can get behind this. I still think the pyramid ships are the Darkness' "proxy army" like we are the Traveler's, and not the Darkness itself, but that remains to be seen.

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                  • Edited by Unbrandedpie: 1/11/2018 8:45:14 PM
                    I still want this to be the case But I see the Traveler as the “God incubator” that Osiris speaks of. Whatever held it in Fundament lost and the “Darkness” was released. In a last ditch effort to contain it since Fundament wasn’t safe anymore they made “The Traveler”. The Traveler in reality (at least if this is true) is a prison meant to contain the Darkness. It is a giant machine whose sole purpose is to maintain the Darkness contained. So it goes around trying to find races who it deems worthy of protecting it against the remaining forces of the Darkness who wish to destroy it to free their God. The Machine is meant to channel the Deity’s power and use it to create instead of destroy. At least that is what I want it to be... Also it mentions 3 Queens. I’m not really that familiar with the lore but wouldn’t Nezarec be the last queen then?

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                    • [quote]The Darkness is a primordial entity, like the Traveler. Also like the Traveler, it can give its power to anyone it wants. It also has the ability to directly corrupt a being and take control (Taken) or even gift them to another entity. It has an end goal of conquering all that can't bear its might. It also changes shape, which might be why the Hive call it the Formless One. Apparently it can appear as simple black tendrils. [/quote] That black tendrils part reminds me of Xur. Could he and The Nine be related to the darkness?

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                      • Hooooraaayyysss!!! A lore post! I haven’t seen one of these in ages. Good work guardian.

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                      • Edited by meatballsublime: 1/11/2018 7:34:53 PM
                        This is discrimination. Black Tetrahedra Matter. Down with the Traveler and his white privilege! Seriously though... nice to see a post about something other than #RemoveEververse. Nothing against #RemoveEververse. Just nice to have something to read on the positive side.

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                      • Great stuff! We need more posts like this. So its safe to say he tetrahedral enemies and ships arent savathun?

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                        • Edited by Bacon Wrapped: 1/11/2018 8:41:26 PM
                          What if there is no Darkness or Light, only (Paracausal) Power? "Evil" folks get the Power and it looks like Darkness "Good" folks get the Power and it looks like Light. It's the same power every time, it's how it's used that matters. I'm just "thinking out loud" here. What do people think?

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                        • Edited by Suite-D: 1/11/2018 8:45:11 PM
                          It believe it to be "The Darkness" Tetrahedrons (The Darkness) are the opposite of the Sphere (The Traveler) Also that circle within circles looks like The Black Garden, so, maybe there was a piece of The Darkness there just like there is a piece of The Traveler in the EDZ Great read :) Edit: the circles within circles I'm referring to are on the pillars on the right and left of the center image

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                        • I miss these posts 😢

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                        • Great read, really nice to see something other than the 5 pages of one thing.

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                        • Idea (a simple being speaking) we make friends with the Eliksni, abandon the city leave the Traveller there, when the darkness comes we wage a gorilla war using the stateless strategy, why? We're gosh darn fracking MERCENARY SPECIALISTS not a regular army, let us fight any way we individually deem fit. All in all, good posts.

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                          • I think u put more effort in this than bungee did d2 good post keep them coming

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                          • you are Ignoring one variable that everyone else does too: The Guardian (aka: every player)

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