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Edited by vmondude:
2/28/2018 7:02:32 PM
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Martin O’Donnell was (one of) Destiny’s greatest loss
Despite the music still being good in Destiny 2, it hasn’t a scratch on Marty’s production and musical story telling in Destiny 1.
His leaving had a lot to do with the downfall of Destiny I think because it sucked the emotion from the game.
I really do think it’s part of why D2 feels so soulless and detached. The music doesn’t flow with the gameplay, or at least nowhere near as well.
Kinda sucks the Destiny 1 music isn’t in the Destiny 2 playlist tbh. Although they’re probably not allowed after Marty won his lawsuit.
Good watch explaining it all here!
https://youtu.be/0WCj0ISBbCI
Anyone else think so?
EDIT: This was the greatest loss of what we actually experienced in D1 and lost for D2.
Destiny’s greatest loss over all was obviously the pre D1 release rewrite from Joe Staten’s original story. And his resulting departure.
Bungie losing more of the OG halo team is never going to be a good thing.
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1 ReplyHis musical compositions were iconic and legendary... but after the legal battle he had with Bungie their relation has probably become unrepairable so doubt he can come back.
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1 ReplyStaten, O’Donnell, and Greissemer were all monumental losses for Bungie. Aside from Salvatori, the replacements are complete hacks who don’t remotely understand (or care to understand) how everything worked prior to them being there.
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Yeah Ive listened to Mots and basicslly every marty odonnell interview in existence and his vision and contribution are a huge loss to the team! Joe staten also, although if you read the Destiny section of blood, sweat and pixels the general consensus was that the Joe Staten supercut wasnt great, the foundstion was there they just didnt have faith in his vision by the sounds of it!
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2 RepliesThe way I see it.... some amazing people made an amazing concept for a game... only to have it taken away, butchered into pieces, and all future direction for it was given to people that are far less amazing than the original Destiny creators.
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1 ReplyThe greatest loss and arguably the reason we are in this mess in the first place is the loss of both Joe Staten (the original Destiny Story was amazing and made for a huge game) and then the music of Martin simply complemented that superbly. For those saying Martin wasn't a major loss I would simply say this. If I played just a few bars from the original halo soundtrack and didn't say a word I'm confident 90% of gamers who have ever seen a single youtuber of a Halo game or played the original all those years ago, will immediately have their ears prick up and their heart rates double with anticipation. His soundtrack was so matched to the game that even when taken alone it can drag you back to those moments where aming was about the fun and not the leeching of money.
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[quote]Martin O’Donnell was Destiny’s greatest loss[/quote] To me it was Joseph Staten. Other than that, agree that him was a big loss too.
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3 RepliesEdited by Nazo: 2/25/2018 11:51:22 PMYeah, Marty left his mark on the first game, and his work is what made it Destiny. When I listened to the Destiny 2 soundtrack for the first time, I did not enjoy it. It sounded beautiful, but it did not sound like something the original gang (Marty, C Paul Johnson, and Michael Salvatori) would have made. A lot of it just consisted of mediocre arrangements of Destiny 1 compositions. Also, there is original Destiny 1 music in Destiny 2. If you're at the part of the story where you're destroying the Cabal weapon that destroys stars (which I forgot the name of), you can hear Excerpt from the Union playing at some part in that story mission. Keep in mind, this company may have the name "Bungie", but this is not the original company. The real Bungie, the one that produced Halo, is dead. In its place, we have a bunch of potentially recent college graduates who don't know the first thing about video games.
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20 RepliesThe guy who did the [i]music[/i] was the biggest loss? Are you serious? Perhaps you're not familiar with the guy who spent years writing the story for this franchise and quit in protest and took the story with him, Joe Staten
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2 RepliesNot going to lie, I cried when I heard Marty got fired. "Not by words alone". His music gave us the story. In all prior Bungie games, the music was the magic link between the gorgeous visuals and gameplay. This could have been the greatest franchise, studio got too big, lost core talents, lost direction. D2 is a pale rendition of what this game could have been. :[ [spoiler]I still get goosebumps listening to DADADA DADADADADADADA .... bim bim bim bim ... bim bim bim sigh...[/spoiler]
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4 RepliesFirst off, Joseph Staten was the bigger loss, as he had massive story set for us before he left and Bungivision Frankenstein'd it. Second, the lackluster music is why mute it and play a shuffle playlist from a USB instead.
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2 RepliesIt was Joseph Staten
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He wasn't just Destiny's greatest loss. Personally, I think he was Bungie's greatest loss. While I still admire Micheal's score, and the addition of the Kronos Quartet for a couple songs, nothing really matches the magic that Marty had. I feel as though the Destiny 2 score is screaming that it is missing its partner, Michael's partner. After critically reading over the whole court case with Marty vs Bungie, I can only hope that Marty's new studio succeeds where Bungie has failed. Go and look it up, and that will give you the picture of who Bungie really is today, and haunt you of who Bungie used to be.
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I understand what you mean. Have you heard the Music of the Spheres that was leaked on youtube christmas day 2017? People had been looking for it for YEARS but Bungie just wouldn't release it. Holy shit. The music is too good for the game imo If you listen to all of it you'll hear they took a section of it and put it in the scene after the credits in D2. Scummy
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Agreed. Absolutely. Marty gave us orchestral masterpieces. Everything since has been good, even great at times, but the depth and life are missing.
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6 RepliesEdited by A Blues fan: 2/24/2018 8:33:41 AMI don't think we'll ever find out why Marty left (probably due to non-disclosure agreements etc.) but that event (the way he was just abruptly sacked and his legal battle afterwards) seriously dented my love and respect towards Bungie as a result and I've never felt the same way about the company since which is kind of sad. What made it worse was that no one at Bungie (people he worked with for years) came out to defend him (although I realise they were probably prohibited from doing so).
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I said the same thing about Nobuo Uematsu after he stop making music for Final Fantasy.
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1 Reply[u]This is what alot of Destiny defenders don't get.[/u] [i]It's cool if you like the game[/i], but it's not the game that Bungie said it was going to be. Which is why many of us are upset. We never got this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTfhrONAp-c This guy put it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll7nJ6GJzjg
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8 RepliesNo. Go listen to groups like Audiomachine or other theme based groups out there and you'll realize that Marty (I'm an original Marathon guy btw) basically had a lot of success as a composer, but there's just as many good ones out there. Bungie did a smart thing too getting rid of him. The guy literally insulted a choice by funders for Bungie which threatened a massive loss for development purposes. No one individual can say a thing when their music doesn't get chosen for an art piece and runs the risk of losing that much funding.
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14 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 2/23/2018 3:50:19 PMDisagree. The music for D2 is simply brilliant. ...and actually does more to set the emotional tone of the story than the dialog does in many cases. The music that plays in the background when we're at the Farm, and during the interlude when we're trying to escape the City is extremely powerful, and brilliantly composed. Marty O'Donnell was very good at what he does. But no one is irreplaceable. As I'm afraid he found out.
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3 RepliesMost of the creative talent quit or was fired 6 months before the release of D1. That's why you got recycled content for 3 years. Oops! Did you know that Activision trashed the original story that claimed the Traveler was actually evil? The black garden in D1 was originally inside the Traveler.
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Marty O'Donnell was the reason for Destiny's soul, but I think it'd be cheap to add D1 music to D2's playlist. I'm not 100% against having it, but it'd be great music over a crap game. When I launch D1, I listen to the menu before logging in, as it pulls me into the past when Destiny was great, despite it's flaws. So many of Bungie's original team have left now, and it's probably due to the decisions from upstairs. Can't blame them. Their art is too beautiful to ruin. D2 doesn't deserve to wear the cape that it's predecessor wore, if you catch my drift...
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Edited by Unforgiven: 2/23/2018 2:00:58 PMI still believe that Destiny 2 will come back. There are glimpses of greatness here. The music in D2 is still really good like that sad song that turns powerful The Journey it's called This is my favorite new song from Destiny 2 start from this part. https://youtu.be/2gEaPFVWIxM Marty was a big loss but he also trained others and he isn't the only great composer in the world.
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1 ReplyIdk the 8m people who stopped playing will hurt it more.
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3 RepliesNo. It was joe staten the greatest loss
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1 ReplyI think you're right, this was close to the point of Bungie turning into an annoying mass minded conglomerate instead of legit developer. Also, it's losing not "loosing" lol
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I turn music off in games. It's no loss to me.
