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Edited by YATM:
7/11/2018 11:04:37 PM
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I love this veiled bigotry stuff. FYI the reason companies are adding LGBTQ characters is to send a message that the prevailing homophobic rhetoric coming from the misogynist realm of gaming forums is not a reflection of the developers themselves. It's a message to this community and those that embrace them that bigots have no place in this or any other gaming community.
Your criticism that this is her only character trait is ridiculous. While not a very well developed character, she is clearly impassioned, reckless, has problems with authority and a yearning to make a connection with her and her family's past.
They didn't make her gay for no reason. They made her gay to send a message about inclusivity. If you don't like it play something else.
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If only I could upvote this more than once.
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Fag !
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[quote]Fag ![/quote] Yeah. It’s clearly a thread about character development. No homophobes here.
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[quote]Fag ![/quote]
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Edited by YATM: 7/13/2018 1:14:42 AM[quote]Fag ![/quote] Thank you for proving my point
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It’s not forced nor is it to send a message, it’s simply to tick the diversity box to show they are in tune with what’s in fashion, I don’t think they give a -blam!- either way they want it to look like they are pro diversity etc, makes no difference gay or straight the comics pretty shit. Who the -blam!- cares anymore?
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[spoiler] big·ot ˈbiɡət noun a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.[/spoiler] Hm. You? Think so.
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Edited by YATM: 7/12/2018 10:56:21 PMWe don’t differ in opinion. We differ in that I am not hiding an agenda behind seemingly innocent attack on character development. We differ in the fact that a homosexual kiss seems to get your panties in a bunch. We differ in that you believe inclusivity is a lazy money grab and I see it as a message to a group long discriminated against in our society. Your tactics are straight up alt-right. If I truly believed we merely had a difference of opinion I would not respond so vehemently. No one believes she is a well-developed character, but to focus on her sexuality which literally appears on one page is patently ridiculous. You don’t mention that she’s the stereotype renegade, the immortal obsessed with her past, or the ridiculous circumstances in which she faked her death. Nope. They made her gay. It’s all part of some ultra politically correct conspiracy to make straight white people hate themselves, right? You said it yourself, this isn’t about her or the comic book. It’s about a bigger conspiracy in your mind. The push by social justice warriors to force diversity on you. This is how you and I differ. It’s much more than opinions. It’s about quality of character.
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Corners of this place are growing darker. It's really no wonder to me, now, that there is such a large population of homophobic, no -- not phobic --, hate-filled, obstinately ignorant bigots in this game. The ability to hide behind an avatar only emboldens them. I'm surprised they attempt thinly veiled arguments to spew their filth instead of just coming out and saying what they mean to say, "We don't want gay people in our game." I am disgusted by them. This isn't about Bray's character. This is entirely about their lack of character, about their feeble minds, about their ignorance of the world and all the wonder it holds for those who open themselves to it.
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Then why the -blam!- are even here if its such a hate filled mysogonistic trainwreck?! "Like I hate video game cause of like mysoginistic themes and like the like toxic masculinity stuff and theres like too much violence and bigots. BTW Who wants to play xbox with meeeeee????!!! :);)" go away.
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Edited by zNapSack: 7/12/2018 9:31:30 PMYou don't seem to grasp the fact a characters sexuality is irrelevant to the story. So why have a character make note of it? What purpose, as far as the game is concerned, does it serve? The answer in my opinion, is none that I can see. So, is her characters sexuality being "forced"? Yes, in a manner of speaking, it is. Which begs the question, why? What was their motivation for doing so? Are they trying to make a sociopolitical statement, in a video game? We get enough of that as it is and I personally don't feel it's necessary to bring that, in any form, into a purely entertainment realm which people engage in to escape reality. And video games like Destiny are sci-fi fantasy and should remain as such whenever possible. Note: I'm not bigoted , racist, or homophobic IRL. However, Destiny is not real life and certain aspects of reality have no place in it other than to make some kind of statement. So in that regard I agree with the OP's viewpoint in essence.
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If she were straight and had a relationship with a man in the comic would you be saying the exact same thing?
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Edited by zNapSack: 7/12/2018 11:02:19 PMYes, as long as it had no bearing on the story. I don't care who someone is dating or what their sexuality is as long as it has no bearing or impact on the story. The same is true in reality. If I don't need to know then why make a point of it? It's not a joke or a funny story. For the same reason I don't need to know how many bowel movements you've had so far today. Btw, that's a joke, but it's also true. War story: Had a dude inform me once that the temp was 126 degrees (Fahrenheit) although I never asked. I did however, realize it was hot since it was always about that hot in Iraq at that time of the year, in that location as everyone knew. That said, I thanked him nevertheless. I also instructed him to keep me informed of the current OAT every hour, on the dot, for the next 24 hrs. Which he dutifully did. That said, it was the least of his problems for a day or so afterwards, since everyone had great fun at his expense. Hell, even he liked all the attention. That sort of thing was commonplace and always entertaining. Just so you know where I'm coming from with regard to such things.
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But that doesn't make any sense. They decided to make a relationship a part of the story, so who the other person is does have bearing on it. The gender of the other person shouldn't matter, but apparently to some people it does. Are you suggesting that it would have been better to just never give the identity of her partner? I fail to see how that makes a romantic story better. It's one thing to say that the story shouldn't have had a romance element to it (personally I would have preferred that), but it's entirely different to say that they shouldn't reveal anything about the second half of the romance. That's kind of an important element. What you decide is or is not a relevant detail is telling.
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Edited by zNapSack: 7/12/2018 11:09:40 PMI don't see why we needed to know any of it. It did nothing to help us with regard to our overall mission. Nor was it entertaining in any significant way, e.g: comical, etc. Like the OP said, it felt forced.
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Ok, so you have a problem with the romance part not adding anything interesting (at least how it was written). That we can agree on.
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Cool. Btw, I don't mind if someone disagrees with whatever I say as long as they make a valid and pertinent argument or ask such questions, which you did. So thank you.
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You can't really disagree with someone unless you fully understand their position.
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True, to a degree. Although it's not always an absolute. There are few absolutes in reality.
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Edited by zNapSack: 7/12/2018 10:11:20 PMWould I alone make a point of it? I can't answer that honestly since it's a hypothetical question. I'm not trying to evade the question nor am I being hypocritical but it would depend on how and why it was made a point. For example, if we [i]needed[/i] to know as part of the story then I wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone? If, however, it was brought up for no apparent reason other than to make a point of it then again it begs the question, why? What point was the writer trying to make? Was it an agenda of some kind? Perhaps that is a part of what the OP meant by bad writing. Although I'm not trying to to second guess them or put words in their mouth. I should add that if a character makes a joke or is comical in some way (Cayde for instance) it's fine. It's entertainment and lightens the mood. His banter with Ikora was entertaining. However, a characters sexuality is irrelevant if it has no bearing on the story. Thus we simply don't need to know it. So again, why make a point of it?
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Let's not get hypothetical then. I'm sure you've played other video games, and I'm sure some of them have had a romantic relationship between a man and a women be a primary component in the story. Did you go on the forums for those games and complain about forced heterosexuality? Did you even give it a second thought? The problem with the Ana Bray story is that the romantic relationship doesn't really add a lot to the Destiny narrative in general. That's an issue of bad writing. But people aren't framing it that way on here, they are focusing on the sexuality of the romantic relationship. That's the problem.
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I agree with you in regard to the writing. In fact that was and has been my entire point in every post I've made in the regard. And I don't go on any forums to complain about anything. Nor am I complaining here.
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[quote]It's a message to this community and those that embrace them that bigots have no place in this or any other gaming community.[/quote] And this is part of the problem. NO ONE is allowed to think differently. You MUST toe the liberal line or you'll be labeled "homophobic", "bigot", "racist", etc, etc. etc. Let's modify it just for dramatic effect: "It's a message to this community and those that embrace this that people [b][i]with different opinions[/i][/b] have no place in this or any other gaming community."
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Edited by GenXer: 7/12/2018 8:27:21 PMWhy is this tied to being liberal? I know many liberal bigots and racists, and I know many conservatives who are open to all sorts of experiences and people. This isn't about where one falls on the political spectrum. This isn't about a difference of opinion on a trivial matter. This is about some people, King-Nate27 et al., who don't want to see gay people in "their" game.
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Edited by zNapSack: 7/12/2018 10:35:18 PMWhat purpose did knowing it serve? Did we need to know for story purposes? No. Then why have the character make such an unsolicited and essentially unnecessary remark? Do you wear a sign when you walk down the street that proclaims your sexuality? I'm guessing probably not. And if you did, what would be the point? Why would everyone you passed need to know? The same is true here. Why did we need to know? Was it comical? No, she's not Cayde.
