[quote]They’re making Ana’s defining trait her sexual orientation[/quote] False. They presented a story of a personal relationship. People like you are choosing to then focus not on the [i]relationship[/i] but the [i]orientation[/i] of the people in the relationship. If one was a man, we wouldn’t see so many posts about this and the issue people would be talking about would be as you said and nothing about anyone’s orientation. If these posts were complaining about the lack of other background information about Ana, they wouldn’t be constantly bringing up her sexual orientation as the main focus of their issue with her. I think you’ve missed that not so subtle nuance across the many topics we’ve seen.

[quote][quote]They’re making Ana’s defining trait her sexual orientation[/quote] False. They presented a story of a personal relationship. People like you are choosing to then focus not on the [i]relationship[/i] but the [i]orientation[/i] of the people in the relationship. If one was a man, we wouldn’t see so many posts about this and the issue people would be talking about would be as you said and nothing about anyone’s orientation. If these posts were complaining about the lack of other background information about Ana, they wouldn’t be constantly bringing up her sexual orientation as the main focus of their issue with her. I think you’ve missed that not so subtle nuance across the many topics we’ve seen.[/quote] I call bs on that. If the story had homed in on zavala and his wife (if he had one) then people would still be saying that the story focused on the wrong thing, and rightly so. The dlc was all about Rasputin, it's called "the warmind dlc", the comics should have expanded on the ana/Rasputin relationship. Everything else should have been mentioned in the passing, no more no less.

And I call BS on that misunderstanding of my statements by pointing out that if they did focus on Zavala and his wife, nobody would be talking shit about it being a [i]hetersexual [/i]couple. Nobody should be bringing up that she's gay if it has nothing to do with the "real" issue. I think you both are missing the fact that you guys have differing sets of issues you're concerned with than the OP and other people that keep bringing up her sexuality. If relationship orientations were a non-issue, they wouldn't be getting mentioned left and right and the only topics being posted about the relationship in the comic would be solely on how much the relationship takes up the story. [quote]The dlc was all about Rasputin, it's called "the warmind dlc", the comics should have expanded on the ana/Rasputin relationship. Everything else should have been mentioned in the passing, no more no less.[/quote] I agree with the first sentence but disagree with the second. There's no rule or guideline that a relationship should only be a passing mention [i]whatsoever[/i]. That is simply a crafting choice for the writer and can differ between every writer. They could have easily just have added more content around Rasputin and made no changes whatsoever to how much they talked about Ana's relationship.

[quote]False. They presented a story of a personal relationship. People like you are choosing to then focus not on the [i]relationship[/i] but the [i]orientation[/i] of the people in the relationship. If one was a man, we wouldn’t see so many posts about this and the issue people would be talking about would be as you said and nothing about anyone’s orientation.[/quote] If you had actually paid any attention to my post you'd see that it said the real problem is that Bungie is focusing solely on the relationship and ignoring the other aspects of her character. You think people are complaining about her being gay, but that's just not true. If it were true people would also be complaining about Wei Ning being gay, but as you can see nobody is. [quote]If these posts were complaining about the lack of other background information about Ana, they wouldn’t be constantly bringing up her sexual orientation as the main focus of their issue with her. I think you’ve missed that not so subtle nuance across the many topics we’ve seen.[/quote] You do know it's possible to bring up her sexual orientation AND the lack of other background information in the same post right? Literally every post about this topic i've seen mentions bungie needs to focus on other parts of her character in some way or another. Again, EVERYONE'S PROBLEM ISN'T THE FACT THAT SHE'S GAY. If that was everyone's problem then people would be complaining that Wei Ning is gay too, but nobody is because they don't care what her sexual orientation is.

[quote]If you had actually paid any attention to my post you'd see that it said the real problem is that Bungie is focusing solely on the relationship and ignoring the other aspects of her character.[/quote] And if you had paid attention to MY post, you'd understand the point I made was that you're misrepresenting what the OP and other topics just like OP's are really about. The reality is that the two of you are arguing different focuses, but both of you are relating part of the argument around sexual orientation and not that it's simply A relationship. Maybe the more important issue is that Bungie chose to focus more on a relationship than background info about Ana, but the issue there is really just the amount of focus on the relationship and it being a non-straight one should have absolutely nothing to do with being an issue. But both of you bring it up anyways. [quote]You think people are complaining about her being gay, but that's just not true. [/quote] Yes, they are. If they weren't, then there's no reason at all why OP would mention her sexual orientation as even part of the issue, nor you. The title of this topic is directly specifically at sexual diversity, so you can't really argue this has nothing to do with people complaining gay characters when it so obviously is. [quote]If it were true people would also be complaining about Wei Ning being gay, but as you can see nobody is.[/quote] No, just not in THIS particular topic, because this was about Ana... People already complained Devrim before being gay and "thrown in our face". The mere implication of Devrim's sexual orientation got some folks rustled enough that it was covered by game media and a statement was even made by the voice actor about it. As far as Wei goes, the only implication of lesbianism was Eriana's Vengence ship lore, which is a love letter to Wei. That is literally the only implication whatsoever, so not really the same kind of level as Ana. [quote]You do know it's possible to bring up her sexual orientation AND the lack of other background information in the same post right?[/quote] Right, but that's my point. You were just trying to argue that it's not about her orientation, it's about the focus on a relationship instead of more relevant background on Ana or the plot. So you're contradicting yourself. You ARE focusing on the sexual orientation as part of the issue. [quote]Literally every post about this topic i've seen mentions bungie needs to focus on other parts of her character in some way or another.[/quote] That's anecdotal. I've seen others that focused purely on her sexual orientation and nothing else. Other viewpoints may seep in through the comments by other people, but the topics themselves were about her being gay or having a gay relationship being 'thrown' at us instead of a straight one. [quote] EVERYONE'S PROBLEM ISN'T THE FACT THAT SHE'S GAY. [/quote] You don't speak for everyone. You each clearly have different viewpoints of what things are the issues and only some overlap. Since OP's topic is aimed directly at her orientation, maybe you overlap on the part about Bungie should have focused more plot in the comics, but clearly you are differing on what else are the issues or to what degree her gayness matters. Clearly everyone is not in total agreement.

[quote]And if you had paid attention to MY post, you'd understand the point I made was that you're misrepresenting what the OP and other topics just like OP's are really about. The reality is that the two of you are arguing different focuses, but both of you are relating part of the argument around sexual orientation and not that it's simply A relationship. Maybe the more important issue is that Bungie chose to focus more on a relationship than background info about Ana, but the issue there is really just the amount of focus on the relationship and it being a non-straight one should have absolutely nothing to do with being an issue. But both of you bring it up anyways.[/quote] I never said i agreed with OP. Our problems with the relationship are different. You really aren't paying attention to my argument are you? My argument is that her relationship shouldn't be the only thing you hear about her. My problem IS the amount of focus on her relationship! I honestly don't care what her sexual orientation is. And any competent person can see that if they pay enough attention to my post. I may have used the word orientation but my point has always been the same. If you paid any attention to my original post you'd see i only bought her orientation up to say it should be less prominent in Bungie's storytelling of her character. And if you actually read the part where i said her relationship with Camrin is too prominent, you'd also see i stated that also applies to ANY relationship. [quote]Yes, they are. If they weren't, then there's no reason at all why OP would mention her sexual orientation as even part of the issue, nor you. Yet clearly you both have mentioned things focusing specifically about her orientation.[/quote] Are you completely ignoring it when people say that their problem isn't her being gay? Because if you are you're just being stubborn. And when i mention her being gay it's only to say that's not my problem with the Ana/Camrin relationship. [quote]No, just not in THIS particular topic, because this was about Ana... People already complained Devrim before being gay and "thrown in our face". The mere implication of Devrim's sexual orientation got some folks rustled enough that it was covered by game media and a statement was even made by the voice actor about it. As far as Wei goes, the only implication of lesbianism was Eriana's Vengence ship lore, which is a love letter to Wei. That is literally the only implication whatsoever, so not really the same kind of level as Ana.[/quote] Oh come on, she was definitely gay. The lore tab of the Fighting Lion also suggests she was in a relationship with Eriana. Also, If you look at Eriana's wiki it says "Eriana quickly became enamored with Wei Ning and knew instantly that she never wanted to be without her." Now if that doesn't confirm a relationship between the two then i don't what does. When Wei's ghost mentioned Eriana's name [quote]Right, but that's my point. You were just trying to argue that it's not about her orientation, it's about the focus on a relationship instead of more relevant background on Ana or the plot. So you're contradicting yourself. You ARE focusing on the sexual orientation as part of the issue.[/quote] Me contradicting myself was completely accidental. It's been a long day. I stand by my original argument. [quote]That's anecdotal. I've seen others that focused purely on her sexual orientation and nothing else. Other viewpoints may seep in through the comments by other people, but the topics themselves were about her being gay or having a gay relationship being 'thrown' at us instead of a straight one.[/quote] And in almost all of those posts the OP's specified that her orientation wasn't really what they were upset about. Granted yes, this post is more about her orientation. But most other posts i've seen on this topic may have said things like "the relationship was being 'thrown' at us" but the OP's said that wasn't really their problem with the relationship. [quote] You don't speak for everyone. You each clearly have different viewpoints of what things are the issues and only some overlap. Since OP's topic is aimed directly at her orientation, maybe you overlap on the part about Bungie should have focused more plot in the comics, but clearly you are differing on what else are the issues or to what degree her gayness matters. Clearly everyone is not in total agreement.[/quote] Yeah, not everyone is in total agreement. However a majority of people who commented on posts like this that i've seen have stated that they don't care about her orientation and want Bungie to focus on other parts of her character.

[quote]Our problems with the relationship are different.[/quote] For fvcks sake. Did you not read what I actually said? That's exactly my point. [quote]If you paid any attention to my original post you'd see i only bought her orientation up to say it should be less prominent in Bungie's storytelling of her character.[/quote] You can't not have it part of the story when the story is a gay relationship. [quote]But most other posts i've seen on this topic may have said things like "the relationship was being 'thrown' at us" but the OP's said that wasn't really their problem with the relationship.[/quote] That's either a lie or intellectually dishonest though, because the whole point of OP's post was to say that the relationship's sexual "diversity" was being "forced" at us. Not that a relationship in general was being forced. Otherwise the video they posted makes no sense to include.

A relationship that does nothing to advance the plot or world of the game we play in. It explains nothing. It expands nothing. It's jus lip service to a trend.

It expands on the character. People like comics and reading about relationships too, in case you've never read any before. There are entire genres of comics and manga devoted solely to unimportant relationships. Not everything about a character has to result in you getting something, but such relationships do and can expand on a character's background motivations and experiences that either lead to how they got somewhere or why they're there.

I play this game for the enemys & world's they inhabit, and the relationship does nothing to advance Bray or exos or Rasputin. And if a relationship is relevant to plot or world building, that's good. This does neither. It's jus forced inclusive. The Bungie Rainbow t-shirt covers everything but heterosexual. When a relationship develops plot & world, it doesn't matter about orientation. When it's jus there with no consequence, it looks dumb.

Well that's funny because when you PLAY the game, there's no mention whatsoever about her relationship. I'd love for you to describe to me the in-game lore object/scannable or spoken line by Ana that tells us how much she loves and wants to bang her lesbian girlfriend. Because if that were in the game, you might actually have a reasonable point here that wasn't just blatant homophobia.

External media is meant to advance plot, character, motivation & world building, not pander to Twitter trends.

Blatant homophobia? I'm bi.. you presumptuous idiot. I hate even defining myself as bi. It's a label. The expansion of relationship needs to be relevant to world building, and those comics do nothing to enhance that.

No it does not. It's called "character building" and is a regular thing among all sorts of media. Not all character building does or has to revolve around advancing a plot but exists along side it. The comics focus on Ana's journey to Hellas Basin and part of that is also a relationship that is happening at the same time. Don't read the comics if you don't like it so much. It has fvck all to do with the actual game.