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I had a long reply and accidentally deleted it, fml. Anyways, TL;DR, Don't care if people are gay blah blah blah, forced diversity is when companies force people to throw in XYZ for the sake of "diversity", rather than the writers themselves wanting XYZ (typically resulting in walking stereotypes) or when individuals throw in the "victim classes" as too many seem to see them (litterally meaning everyone that isn't white, male and/or straight) merely to virtue signal, there are only 2 genders (because I want to see REEEs you've let me down internet!) And Ana being gay isn't a problem, IMO destiny handles diversity well (with the exception of white straight males. Doesn't bother me, but if we're doing diversity it should be actual diversity), just look at Wei ning and Devrim (I still cry he is just a British stereotype...the voice actor is gilleon from COD AW), but rather that there was a romance forced in all together. As flr the bit about soldiers, I'm not one of the idiots who hates soldiers, rahter the opposite. So long as someone is fit for duty by the national standards and isn't being let in because XYZ, I'm fine with them (I say that because just throwing people in could put lives at risk). Also, just saying, but even if I did hate gays or whatever, I wouldn't be stupid enough to try and tell a soldier not to be something. I'm not antifa burning the flag ;)
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  • Edited by TheArtist: 7/12/2018 2:41:50 PM
    There is no such thing as "forced diversity". Just BAD ways of relating to HUMAN DIVERSITY. In employment...you just have people who are either lazy or bigoted employers. In art...you have people who are trying to tell stories that they haven't lived and that they don't understand...and therefore they cannot tell that story with any authenticity. As the jazz saxophonist Charlie Parker once said, [i]"If you haven't lived it, it won't come out through your horn." [/i] That is NOT the case with the Ana Bray story. Her story was well-told. It was just a story that some people--because of their prejudices---are uncomfortable with, didnt' want to hear... ...and this is their effort to put a socially acceptable **fig leaf** on that discomfort. This guy who grew up in a sheltered family, with a mother who went to Catholic convent school was uncomfortable with being around openly gay people at first. But I didnt't "blame" them for my discomfort....and I didn't just accept the Catholic Churches views on the subject. I read. watched. Learned...and decided for myself. They are not "sinners'. They rae not "evil". They are not "the dreaded other". They are (as this current Pope is finally acknowledging) not Children of a Lesser God. They're just **different**. ...and in time I just got over my discomfort, and realized that ----when left alone----they live and love, cry and bleed just like straight people. [b] That was the story that is being told through Ana Bray. [/b]

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  • No, forced diversity is when "diversity" is forced, it's self explanatory. As an example, a writer is writing a character for a game and is told said character has to be White, that would be forcing "diversity". I agree that people shouldn't be seen as just x, y and/or z, that's why I hate forced diversity. If someone doesn't want to/isn't comfortable writing someone of x, y or z they shouldn't have to, as in the end of the day that x, y and/or z is merely an intrinsic trait, people don't need it to be able to identify or enjoy a character and forcing a writer to write that more often than not just ends up with the character being stereotypical/bad because the writer didn't know how to/wasn't comfortable with writing that character. As for Ana being well written, I agree. The 3rd novel however was not. The romance popped up out of almost no where, the character was completely new to the lore to my knowledge and as such took away from Anas achievements to attempt to build some sort of character. I didn't not like the character nor the romance because I'm a homophobe, as (for 1) that would imply I'm scared of gay people (why would I be?) And (for 2) that would imply that the relationship being a gay one would be intrinsically bad, which is definitely not the case in the destiny universe. Look to wei ning as a perfect example here. That character was perfectly written, as was the romance.

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  • There is no "forced diversity". It only exists in the eyes of those who are uncomfortable with the diversity that IS the human condition. And the 'romance" didn't pop out of anywhere. It was hinted at the entire time.

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  • (and my reply was again deleted) TL;DR, forced diversity is when people see others not as merely all humans, but as categories based on their race, gender etc and seek to move the numbers around so their is X #s of Y, X #s of Z etc disregarding skill, talent etc for the race and such. I don't care if the char is gay, gay characters aren't inherently bad and to be honest I don't care Ana is gay. I hated how the romance was done, it was slightly hinted at over the first 2 with the char being brought in in the second to do things we thought Ana did, share a kiss then die. It wasn't like Wei Nings, IMO, it sucked. Unlike Wei Nings it was rushed, and I never got why the other one cared ahout Ana at all, with the only explanation for Ana romantically caring being she was alone. Wei Ning is the perfect example in the Destiny universe of how to do gay characters.

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  • Edited by TheArtist: 7/12/2018 4:24:30 PM
    Which, as I said, only exist in the Eye of the Beholder. I don’t see Ana Bray as a story about lesbian relationships. I see it as a story about a soldier exploring her personal reasons for being a Guardian and why she fights. She fight to protect what she loves, and ONE of those things just happens to be a[i]woman[/i] she is in love with. I don’t experience it as “forced” because interacting with such people IRL is part of my experience. And there isn’t one [i]right[/i] way to portray ANY relationship. Gay or straight. Lest we forget the heroes in [i]Rogue One[/i] antagonized each other until sharing a romantic kiss before dying. No one complained about [i]forced [/i] heterosexuality. So those who experience it as forced may need to realize that they are saying more about their own lives and their own attitudes than anything else.

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