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7/14/2018 8:22:46 AM
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Limiting a religions free speech and reading materials isnt control ?
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  • Edited by kellygreen45: 7/14/2018 8:35:19 AM
    No. All right have limits. I have a right to speak freely. But that doesn’t give me the right to lie about you. To threaten you. To incite people to do violence with my words. Or reveal the country’s secrets, etc.... Your right to freely practice your religion does not give you the right to use the government as the enforcement arm of your beliefs (First Amendment). It doesn’t give you the right to use your beliefs as a hammer to beat on others. It doesn’t give you the right to use your beliefs to interfere with My right to practice MY religion within MY life. Or my choice to live without ANY religious beliefs. Liberty is not LICENSE. “Freedom” that has no limits isn’t Liberty its ANARCHY. Which turns into Authoritarianism as the Strong will inevitably dominate the weak and the Many the Few under those conditions. Or as Ken Wilber says, “If you try to have democracy without protection for minority rights, THE [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] TAKE OVER.” Both literally, and figuratively. And sadly, many Christian fundamentalists here in the US think and behave like religious [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. Liberty only exists we’re there is a healthy balance of Individual Rights And RESPONSIBILITIES. But human nature always wants the one and not the other. Because responsibility feels like work. Cause it is.....

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  • Edited by EmptyLuckBox: 7/14/2018 8:42:29 AM
    OK fair enough, no public religious speaking and reading materials against homosexuality and no gay parades or public events. deal . see the argument for both sides goes no where .... which was my entire point to begin with . Because the worst offenders from both speak the loudest and ruin it for all .

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  • No deal. No one needs to be silent. You just need to respect OTHER PEOPLE’s LEGITIMATE FREEDOM, while exercising your own. You don’t have be disallowed to walk the streets in my neighborhood. You just need to not dump your garbage on my lawn while doing it. Your religious rights just stop at the end of your nose, and is not your means by which to control others. Unless you want Muslim cab drivers telling you that you can’t have alcohol in their cabs, or Hindus telling you that you can’t enjoy eating beef because it offends their values...

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  • But states are already silencing religion, which again was one of my first points . No public speaking against or reading materials involving homosexuality . The line has been crossed . So eventually this comes full circle, everyone is silent and everyone is angry .

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  • No. They’re telling you not to dump your garbage on someone else’s lawn. What next? Stoning adulterers??

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  • what you just said is not true in the least, they are 100% silencing religious speech and reading material just because homosexuality is not in their belief system . stoning, very melodramatic, not even on the same level we are speaking about and honestly i really don't care because as per usual the opposing agrument refuses to see the real truth for what it is .

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  • It is true. You’ve simply hit up against the limits of your religious rights in a civil and free society. You are being required to respect the legitimate rights of others. I have the right to politically protest. But the community has the right to place boundaries around when and where I can do that.

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