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How Does the Sun Burnout?

<So, one of the defining features of the Simulant Future is the purple, burnt out Sun, our Sun. So how the flying -blam!- did THIS happen? How EXACTLY did our Sun burn out? Let's see if we can answer that question. Let's take into account the history of our Sun in this game. In the Simulant Past, the Sun actually appears smaller and brighter. However, this could be because we are in a different area. Going into the present or future we see none of the structures in the past. We can ignore this. However, the Present Lighthouse and Future Lighthouse ARE the same area, so the Sun should be the same size... right? No. The Sun in the Simulant Future is actually BIGGER than the Sun currently. It doesn't look like much, but unlike the present, you can't take a screenshot of the Future Sun and have it fit in frame. Now let's analyze how stars burn out in real life. During the natural life cycle of some stars, they will begin to grow larger into red giants, eventually burning out and then exploding into beautiful supernovas. After the supernova, stars are usually left in the White Dwarf stage, where they eventually burn out fully into Black Dwarfs, which is a theoretical concept that takes actual billions and billions of years to happen. Given the size of the Sun in the Simulant Future, it clearly did not supernova. So we can eliminate the White Dwarf/Black Dwarf scenario. We can also eliminate Brown Dwarfs because even though it supposedly looks similar to the Future Sun, they aren't much bigger than Jupiter. So the way our Sun burned out doesn't seem to be from natural processes, unless there's one I'm missing. Wait hold on... here let me discuss this before figuring out how things fail... However, there may be a key to answering this whole thing, and that key is the Almighty. The Almighty is a star-destroying space station that connects itself to the core of a star and starts eating away at its magnetic field before severing the connection and teleporting to safety, leaving the star to go supernova. Still, it leads to a supernova... HOWEVER, that result comes from a finished job. The Almighty did NOT finish the job on our Sun. It's still connected, but it isn't eating away at the field... anymore. I'm pretty sure it still got some, and there lies our problem. In the first cutscene we see it, it's attacking another star similar to our own. After it's done, the thing rapidly burned out and shrunk before exploding. How would our Sun react with a half-finished job and how does it end up purple, bigger, and burnt out? Enter the Supernova Imposter and Failed Supernova. An Imposter is a stellar explosion that does NOT destroy the base star. The only one that made headlines later exploded fully two years later. However, I don't believe anyone mentioned that it lost anything. So, it's possible that our Sun released a shit ton of energy, but never went supernova. So that means everything in the system is still dead (unless you're Vex or acausal... maybe?) and it's possible that the Sun may still explode later down the road. A Failed Supernova is a star that attempts to go supernova but the core collapses immediately into a black hole. This one I'm a little on the fence about. For one thing, it's only happened to massive stars, which our Sun isn't. Another thing, the future Sun isn't a black hole. So I now come with a couple theories. 1. The Simulant Future is in the FAR FAR future where the Sun was replaced with another star that just died. 2. The Almighty gets destroyed, but because its job was half-assed, our Sun only gave a half-assed Supernova, expanding and releasing a ton of energy, killing all life in the system and left a bit bigger than it was before. This makes sense to me because the Almighty doesn't exist in the Simulant Future. Leave your thoughts on this post below because I can't be bothered to do more than an hour's worth of half-baked research.> [spoiler]<I realize now my half-baked research was in fact, half-assed.>[/spoiler]

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  • It becomes a "black dwarf"?

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    • The sun you see in CoO is expanding, it's dying. It's the wrong color, but this could be to the Almighty messing it up. But to be Purple, as you see it in game, it would have be super frigging hot. To the point that it would be unclear how Mercury is still there hot. That heat would also help to explain it's size. As the dying Star heats up, it also expands. But the shesr amount of heat the star would be producing should blast Mercury into a slagged ball of molten metal and rock.

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    • Not enough Praising.

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      • vex milk and mirrors

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      • It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that the vex can convert stars. The conversion is just a large scale terraforming.

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      • My levitating sparrow gets stuck on a 6 inch rock and my guardian can't walk over a 2 inch lip and needs to jump. I'm not wasting brain power thinking about anything going on in this game from a scientific point of view.

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      • I think we need to speculate the power structure at the time of the stimulant future. Are the Vex in the dominant species at this point or are they just stragglers hanging on to a dead universe. Personally, I always thought the future was after the arrival of The Darkness. In the simulation the Guardians do not defeat Panoptes but in turn he is not strong enough to defeat The Darkness. The Darkness ruins the sun; in a way steals it’s light and leaves it a negative thing; a shadow or a dark sun.

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        • I think that the best way to dissect this question is to tackle the most important fact about it. The future we see is a [i]simulation[/i]. A construct of Vex design based on their understanding of the Universe. I can't say with certainty, but it's entirely possible that the Vex simply don't know how a star functions on a micro level. Perhaps the Vex have been too focused on their conversion mission to bother with gathering proper data on Sol. Perhaps they don't possess any long range observational tools and rely on close range analyses for complex comprehension, and given that radiolarium likely has a boiling point before ten thousand degrees, the Vex Collective likely couldn't gather any serviceable data. It might even be possible that the Vex are unable to simulate a star just on its own. It might seem like celestial bodies would be no sweat for their Planet Minds to grasp, but the Vex also struggle with simulating a Submind AI as well as the Hive's transformative morphs. These things aren't exactly complex in nature and are in no way paracausal, but for some reason, they don't click with their computations. Regardless, if the Vex don't fully understand the intricacies of a star's life cycle, they they wouldn't be able to accurately simulate one if it were to die.

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        • It's been kept quiet so far but Sunshot is inherently linked to the Sun. Everytime it's fired a miniscule portion of the suns energy is used. Even with the small clip size and low usage, solar burnout is inevitable.

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        • With a fire extinguisher, obviously. Get yourself an educamation, Mr!

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        • It's always possible that the Vex tampered with the star itself. If they can poison an entire planet and convert it in a few days (through granted, Mercury's pretty small), then a star may not be much higher up. For all we know they could have something powerful enough to convert or at least drain stars of their energy which could be used in their conversion processes. It would make sense for them to have something of the like if they plan to convert everything.

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          • Whatever happened, any scenario involving the Sun going through its red giant phase would have to involve an explanation of how Mercury still exists. The reason is that when the Sun goes red giant, its radius will exceed that of Mercury's, Venus' and even Earth's orbits. The planets will just be melted, Their mass added to that of the star. But Mercury's destruction obviously didn't happen in the Simulant Future.

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            • Edited by Natdeguerre: 7/26/2018 6:07:39 PM
              Stars that are massive enough to go supernova will, after going through supergiant phase, leave a neutron star or black hole behind, something the size of a large city in case of neutron stars, just super dense ofc. Stars like our sun will swell up to a red giant as well just to a lesser extent. That happens when the star switches from fusing mainly hydrogen to fusing also helium. In that stage the sun would expand enough to swallow mercury and most likely destroy it. After that, it’s carbon core contracts until its held up by the pressure of its electrons, not gas pressure anymore, meanwhile the outer layers will be shed in rather less violent fashion ( then a supernova) by thermal instability between the hydrogen and helium burning layers, forming a nebular for a short time. Deceptively named planetary nebula even though it has nothing to do with planets, just looks a little like one through a telescope( from interstellar distance ofc). The core will become a white dwarf, something the size of a terrestrial planet. White dwarfs will cool over time and eventually darken. So whatever that is in the infinite forest is just phantasy like the rest of the game. A burned out dark white dwarf remnant of the sun should be rather small and mercury shouldn’t exist anymore.

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            • I think you missed. Your focusing on the death of the star system....and you're largely correct. But the "dark future" that the Vex were trying to simulate and find a path to is about THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE. IOW, the Universe was born in the Heat of the Big Bang...and has been expanding...and cooling...ever since. Trillions of years from now....probably on the order of 100 Trillion years...the Universe will have expended all of the available means of generating energy...and it will come to an end. In the cold...and in the dark. If you read the Lore---Especially The Books of Sorrow---its suggested that the Conflict between Light and Dark is about how to best come up with some form of life that can survive---essentially----the Death of the Universe. The Hive and the Vex are both trying to be THAT form of Life....but they are going about it in different ways. The Hive are applying Sword Logic...and are basically trying to MURDER the competition. The Vex are trying to SIMULATE and MANIPULATE their way to it. By simulating all possible Futures...and then manipulating events to produce that Timeline. What Osiris saw was the "dark future" where the Vex had accomplished their goal. Where the Light was gone...and all the other serrvants of the Darkness had either killed each other off....or died out. So only the Vex were left standing. AT the heat-death of the Universe, pretty much everything is going to be a cold "black-body" object.

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              • Well for one red giants don't go supernova. Our sun will not die in a supernova. Our sun will turn into a red giants true, but once it's burned off the remaining fuel, it will simply shrink down into a white dwarf. Only super massive stars die with a supernova (type b).

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              • Edited by Baalwulf06: 7/26/2018 5:35:07 PM
                Vex deprogrammed it. Evil so dark it despises other evil, remember? Though I really don't have time to explain. [spoiler] or time to explain why I don't have time to explain[/spoiler]

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                • Sol will not super nova. Just nova. Sorry to ruin your research

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                  • They just stole the idea from Narnia 100%

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                  • ... you might want to fact check your science before speculating on the larger picture... starting with the life cycle of stars, including our sun.

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                    • I always assumed the vex had siphoned off its power somehow or had corrupted it like they do every other celestial body. Or maybe its the future where "the darkness" wins and that has some sort of effect on the physical properties of literal light and all that other deep physics stuff the game hints at.

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                    • They just stole the idea from Narnia

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                    • What if the Vex built a Dyson sphere around the sun?

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                      • The Leviathian ate the Sun.

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                        • Just fly over there and reignite the pilot light.

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