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Sorry about your friend; if he truly was the man you make him out to be, then the world is lesser for his loss. It's easy to judge someone for committing suicide when you're standing on the outside but bad things happen to good people, no matter where they are, and sometimes the damage just doesn't heal. [quote]Seriously? Posting someone's suicide on Bungie's forums? WTF? I have Bipolar Disorder and this sends a very negative message. I wonder if anyone here understands why? **If Bungie truly cares about Suicide they will remove this thread. This could have a very negative affect on someone who is on the verge of suicide. This should have been removed as fast as it was put up. Take it down before someone else has their story posted in these forums. This is a Trigger, for real.[/quote] ~Manicmethod I was going to post this as a response directly to Manicmethod, but I figure it's something that a lot of people probably need to hear so I'm just going to post it in this comment instead. Pretending that bad things don't happen doesn't stop them from happening. Avoiding discussing bad things that happen just for the sake of sparing someone's feelings, if anything, only ensures that bad things will continue to happen. Increasing awareness can stop those things from happening, however, so long as the people who are aware choose to act. If Bungie truly cares about suicides, they'll keep this thread. I wonder if anyone here understands why? Spoiler alert: sad story ahead. >. > [spoiler]One of the strongest men I've ever known is buried out in Arlington Cemetery. He was active military, Infantry, my squad leader, but it wasn't a bullet or a bomb that killed him. His life hit a rough patch and he started rolling downhill, but he never showed it. He never told anyone in our unit, and he never let his problems get in the way of his duties; he bore his burdens and "soldiered on". That's why I never said anything, even though I could see the signs when no-one else seemed to. Then again, maybe they just chose not to say anything as well. The increased drinking, the occasional slip ups where he let his frustrations show. I watched him crumbling, but I never said anything because I knew he was strong enough to pull through and I respected him enough to allow him his privacy. After all, everyone hits a rough patch in life, and he was one of the strongest people I'd ever met. He was coping, and while I didn't like the fact that he was drinking, I knew that a lot of soldiers took up drinking as a coping mechanism. Heck, when I got to my unit, the advice I got from multiple people was "start drinking". I am a man of many regrets; I've got my fair share of ghosts that I carry with me. One of those ghosts is the memory of watching one of the strongest men I've ever known being buried because he took up drinking to help cope with his depression and one night he got drunk and went for a drive. He died because he made a bad choice, I'll admit that, but that is a choice he might not have made if I'd chosen to speak up.[/spoiler]
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  • Don't listen to this Negative Nancy, you can make anything sound bad.

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  • You sure you replied to the right comment? Your response seems rather vague and out of place.

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  • Manicmethod is not entirely wrong, but maybe could have expressed himself more clearly or appropriately. See below link: https://www.hhs.gov/answers/mental-health-and-substance-abuse/what-does-suicide-contagion-mean/index.html

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  • Edited by Lyrro: 10/10/2018 6:06:03 PM
    I am aware of his condition, but awareness is not something that should be stifled for the majority just for the sake of a minority. Whether it might trigger him/her or not, that is a risk worth taking when the suicide rate, especially among military personnel, continues to rise. As I said before, pretending bad things don't happen and avoiding the topic for the sake of sparing one person's feelings only helps to ensure that bad thing keeps happening, whatever it may be.

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  • I'm not saying anything about his condition. I'm just saying that broadcasting news of a suicide can sometimes have an unintended effect on those who are already contemplating or are on the brink of committing suicide, depending on how the information is shared. If the information is intentionally or unintentionally sensationalized or romanticized, or glorifies the victim, it can be a trigger for others. Publicized suicides can serve as a trigger, especially if the person on the brink does not have sources of social or emotional support. I think dmg's response was appropriate as he provided a compassionate reply and posted resources for those who may be in need of such help, or for those who know someone who is struggling. I'm a mental health professional who annually provides professional development on suicide prevention and intervention to school teachers and staff.

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  • So yes, talking about it and spreading awareness is good. We are on the same page there. People in general just have to be careful about how they share the news of a suicide, especially publicly, because of the unintended negative effects it may have, including copycat suicides and suicide clusters among those who are vulnerable. The attention a suicide completer may receive from others who are compassionate and mean well could be just enough to push someone else to completion. Do you know what I'm saying?

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  • I can agree with you on that topic. The media especially has a tendency to sensationalize or dramatize suicides with no regards to consequence. I don't believe the Destiny forums are necessarily the place for these kinds of posts, but at the same time I understand that people need to grieve. Some people drink to do so, some people play video games. If a short post on the forums is how this person wants to grieve, that's fine by me, so long as they're not taking the event and sensationalizing it in an effort to draw attention to themselves or by some other means turn the event into some political stand. I'd rather the OP jump onto the forums and vent than to go out drinking, for pretty obvious reasons if you read the spoiler. I also agree that Dmg did the right thing here; his post was a simple "sorry for your loss, here are some numbers you can call if you need to talk to someone.". That was the right answer. I hope your suicide awareness courses are better than the ones we got when I was in the Army. Those honestly felt like tutorials on how to succeed in committing, rather than how to prevent, suicides. I remember one particular course where the speaker went on and on about different ways people were committing suicide. It was like a 10 minute course on what signs to look for when a buddy might be depressed or suicidal and what to do when you think they are, followed by a 20 minute course on several different ways to successfully commit suicide. >. >

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