Telesto is literally the besto! It puts pesto to the testo when it molestos.
BARS.
[spoiler]can I get banned for that? Sorry ninjas didn't mean to break any rules[/spoiler]
In all 'seriousness' though, Competitive SUCKSSS. So much wrong with PvP at the moment. Spawns, networking, balance, heavy ammo, etc. It's definitely more exciting than it's ever been, but also more infuriating than it's ever been. However that's simply my opinion. Let's start a discussion, let me know your thoughts on the state of the game. Let's give Bungie some feedback on what we think of PvP.
[b]Side Note/Comp anger/feedback-[/b]Also why the hell do so many people have Lunas? Holy crap does that gun make me want to jump out of a window, can't wait to get it.
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Since this has really evolved beyond just Telesto...lmao... I'm going to post my response to someone that basically clarifies my opinion on the state of the game. Here it is, sorry if you don't like it...
[quote]I actually did know about that. I honestly think shotguns and fusions need a range nerf, there's too many OHK's going around right now, they're easy to main and they both have too much range for their weapon type honestly.
I'm not trying to be a nerf herder, but there are seriously some things that need balancing. People are so blind right now because they don't want Bungie to nerf guns into the ground and make the game boring again so, they're scared to say anything. The game in its current state I'm sorry but, it literally takes almost no skill to be good at. Hate to bring in stats, but I'm a 2.0+ player who's played hours upon hours of sweats and competed in some smaller tournaments and won. There's no reason a 0.8 KD player should be winning almost every gunfight against me because his Luna's Howl that apparently a TON of people have, statistically outmatches my gun in every way except range. Same thing with shotgun battles (which happen way too often btw,) as long as neither one misses (it's pretty hard to,) shotgun fights are always going to come down to who had the better perks and stats, and who landed more pellets. Seriously? That's people's idea of fun? That sounds infuriating to me, and it IS.
I understand people just want to sit there and keep ignoring the fact that the PvP is super broken right now, and pretend they aren't getting mad but, it's not fun right now, especially comp. I know, yeah, this sandbox is much more exciting than its ever been, it's chaotic and it has its fun moments but, imagine how much more fun it would be if you didn't HAVE to have Luna's, or HAVE to run a shotgun or a fusion, or HAVE to die to power ammo at every corner you turn. Obviously I know you don't seriously HAVE to use those things but, to be competitive and doing consistently well you HAVE to use those things or find a successful and consistent counter. I can tell you right now that unless it was banned, if you played a tourney right now EVERYONE would be using Luna's Howl or Not Forgotten, there might be one or two guys rocking something different to balance their team for a certain role but other than that...Yeah ...it's just ridiculous...[/quote]
[b]Edit 2-[/b] Made some big edits to the post to reflect more of what I wanted from posting this. Also after dragging my sorry, brain dead, ass through 14 hours of comp I have Luna's Howl. Gotta say I'm not that impressed actually, it's overpowered as hell but it's kinda boring to use. Definitely not as fun as something like HoW Thorn or Last Word.
[b]Final Thoughts On The Telesto Ordeal-[/b] After being convinced by a few of you, I've come to my conclusions about Telesto. I don't think it needs a range nerf actually, I think it should be slightly buffed, given bigger purpley explosions, and moved to the heavy slot. As one user said, "They don't use it for fun, they use it because it's a massive crutch." I think there are a few people out there who do use it for pure fun, however, i think those people are in the minority. I think doing what I've suggested would allow those who like to use it in PvE, and for fun would still be able to enjoy their weapon, while those who crutch it couldn't do that anymore.
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So Shotgun Meta = Let's nerf Fusion Rifles. So much sense.
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No! Keep it as it is, it wasn't a problem before!!
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No. It's fine as is. Everything in this game has a counter.
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Guardian.gg Fusions in their ENTIRETY are around the same 1% of PvP kills they've always been. Telesto is in the top 5 energy weapons in ONE comp mode, Survival. In that mode it's still under 4% of kills and almost 30% lower than Trust. So there's this gun that actually let's players use and get a kill with something that isn't a shotgun, hand cannon or pulse rifle less than 1% of the time in PvP but gosh darn it, it must be nerfed! Another fun fact for you. Shotgun users can use [i]any weapon in the game[/i] and still equip a shotgun. Fusions rifle users can't equip a fusion rifle and use any other energy weapons in the game. Oh and nerfs suck.
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I am down voting this because I use Telesto when it's needed. As long as Shotguns can do what they do and Luna's, Trust and Not forgotten kill as quickly as they do, me pulling out Telesto to even the playing field is completely justified.
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I actually enjoy the current meta, despite people saying that one shot weapons take no skill they take a whole new kind of skill, you have to be careful peeking Lane's because you might get sniped. Used to be very rare with snipers needing heavy ammo. Now you have to watch radar and look for shotgunner habbits like crouching around a corner. There's an entire art to avoiding being one shotted, something everyone has to do, and even shotguns, the skill isn't aiming it's closing space. I like this new change 😁
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Just heavily increase he damage of the explosions and make it create orbs on multikill and put it into the heavy slot, but in OvE there could be a version of it for the special slot.
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Waaaaaaaaaah
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How can you want Luna's but then also have a problem with people using Telesto? Telesto is one of the only answers to something as strong as Luna's or Shot gunners for that matter.
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Why not just nerf its ammo maybe spawn with 1 and only get 1 of special drops
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No, no, no. The gun itself is perfectly fine. What needs to happen is it moving to the heavy slot.
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No nerfing hand cannons needs damage nerf then telesto nerfing
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I agree with a range nerf, or something. I've run into a few people that had really good timing on their recoil control for when the weapon fires, making the Teleso into a lazer beam capable of killing at scout rifle ranges.
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Nurf and buff are not what you want. Balanced DPS and TTK across all weapon types is what you are looking for. To have players be able to use whatever set up they prefer and still be as competitive as anyone else within their skill range.
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Keep range the same but lower stability. Or buff it’s damage in pve and make it a heavy
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Nerfing telesto’s range would make the gun useless, the spread is pretty bad already as well. What is this post even? You seem to be whining about something but it’s too vague for me to counter.
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So what you're literally saying is nerf fusions?
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High impact fusions seem to be working quite well. Get one with good stability and good range and you've got yourself a keeper
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Edited by piratepatchy243: 10/28/2018 11:57:02 AMNot mentioned because it's not the best, there's counters. Erentil, shotguns, literally playing smarter and what do you know problem solved.
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you are absolutely right OP! Telesto's range needs to be increased by 25%. As it is right now it's barely functional vs other shotgun range like Felwinters Lie so it can compete on a even playing field. Thank you for pointing this out!!!
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/249384628/0/0
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No even start this again. Just get good
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State of the game is this.. crucible is trash, it always was trash, but it's a fun chaotic mess, only if you don't care. Warlocks have sniper rifle ranged melees, hunters melees are the fastest but weakest, titan melees are the slowest and worst range yet hit like a truck. The primary guns are all trashy, most people get a luna's then run void walker nova bomb OP class warlock with luna and the blue rare shotgun in primary slot cause it's the best shotgun that's not a slug in the game right now. Or they run pulse rifles like , bygones, redrix, vigilance wing, hagatron lance, or some other pulse. I see a few good autos and hand cannons but really the best two are luna's and not forgotten even though ace and trust have they're moments, ace hits hard but feels slow and inconsistent and I should now Ive played a decent while with it. So it's about what team you have, how the connection sways, and what guns you have. No skill required just grind for the right guns and your a god. Stupid game design flawed beyond belief and even though I suck and don't have most the op guns and by that I mean luna's, I still have to admit it's fun to spam sentinel supers with my ursa gauntlets when it actually works in my favor which is about 50% of the time. Please buff ursa in pve bungie cause I run doomfang now cause ursa is trash.
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Oh shut up it's a fusion rifle
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Edited by DiZ: 10/28/2018 5:55:50 PMI got my Luna's at around 3800. When I tell you having to consistently outgun Luna's without Luna's(against players actually decent with it), and requiring it to be a headshot kill even if you didn't need a headshot to finish them off, it's a very unpleasant experience. I ended up just switching to Ace and outranging them to compete. It really helped. The gun's worth it, but Not Forgotten is even more busted.