Casual players require content though and in the last year of Destiny 2's life cycle real content is simply not part of the plan for Bungie. The hardcore players just want some goals, and apparently check list content that just puts arbitrary numbers in front of the same old content (kill 500 of this, clear the raid 28 times while walking backwards, play 6000 crucible matches on a NES-controller) is more than enough for the hardcore crowd. The last word quest today will be the exact same bs, just as the dorn quest in March or all other weapon quests to keep players busy. That's also why the hardcore players are the ones advocating for the infusion cores to stay, they just like this artificial bounty type content. They just need someone to throw the stick, so they can go chase it. Bungie realized that it's way cheaper to cater to this crowd which also has the benefit of getting free PR from the streamers so they can stream their raid clears for the millionth time. I'm sure they will try to offer something for the more casual players again, but not before Destiny 3. And anyone without the anal pass is pretty much f'ed right now anyway, as they'll just get a whole lot of nothing.

Yeah, reminds me of why I quit D1 in the first place, the rise in overly sweaty, tryhard players who couldn't bear the thought of actually having fun in a game. Left during TTK because I had the bad lick of never being on when the nicer players were, so no team would run the raid with me, in the first week no less, even when I knew what to do. A game should be fun, not cater entirely to players who literally only play this all day everyday. I could have fun as a solo player in D1, even in lfg, not so much with D2.

[b]They need to focus on how to make a profitable game. The more money a game makes, the better staff they can employ and is attracted to work for them. It will provide the best chances of a best result.[/b] Focusing on that actual business reality about producing a game for 'us' their consumers. The next question is how do we invest into games. IE who is paying money to play games, look at the demographic of gamers (focusing on the market of interest) and even furthermore what is their investment level VS play time. As a gamer we look at this from a content perspective: How many hours of joy am I getting, for how much money?? With only expansion releases we can get the most play time for our money. Dollars spent / Time spent = Cost over time. For me I'm at a bit over 700 hours for my $70 investment puts me at $0.10 / hour. Cap's the developers out with a value per player and no way to increase their earnings from us. Looking at the micro transactions that are taking over the gaming community could be the future of Destiny. Examining Fortnite as the prime example of how to make money and build both sides of the community. That's the easiest way to see that correlation between hours invested and money invested. As players are willing to spend more time, they are also ultimately willing to spend more money. There is some type of value relation between those two values that needs to be better understood. I doubt it's actually linear, but let's assume for simplicity that it is. We can then say that for each 'hardcore (H)' gamer there exists a number of 'causal (C)' gamers that would need to be within the community to account for their loss of funds. IE: (H = ? x C) This only works with giving the community enough things for them to willingly spend money on. When you limit the purchasing options you prevent players from giving you potential money during the time when they are investing the most time within the game. [b]But ultimately: total playtime x playerbase = possible profits.[/b] Gotta focus on a bit of everything if you want all the $$. Apologies for my thoughts getting scattered, keep answering calls at work and losing my place.

I'm a casual player. I have a full time job & a family. On a good day, during the work week, I can play a couple of hours any given night, and a bit more on weekends. I do belong to a clan, but play solo most of the time. I don't feel alienated whatsoever. I don't ask for any nerfs. In fact, I'm totally opposed to them. I do, however, think Bungie went from one extreme to another with the extensive grinding involved now, which to me makes this game very monotonous & boring. I was excited to see mention of PVP-only nerfs moving forward, which will make PVE players happy.

How doesn't it cater to everyone ? There is no rush to get things done . Content doesn't disappear, quests don't get removed . There are much longer and grindy games out there but yet I hear no out cry from there communities for change . And honestly I would never read a Forbes article about video games and take it seriously .

Paul Tassi also wrote an article speculating if Thorn would be a BA exotic, after the trailer for Last Word was released last night. So he's clearly not all that into Destiny.

It's just a click baitey title, not a single person who writes any of this even defines the definition of a casual so the point makes no sense. There is something for everyone in this game weather you play 3 or 30 hours a week, mileage will vary based on the amount of hours but the game is pretty friendly to new players.

I really don't get the casuals complaint. There is so much content that can be played casually. One big example are Triumphs. If I just want to relax and play solo I will complete Triumphs. It is both relaxing and gives me a sense of accomplishment. Plus, if you are a casual, why would it matter how fast you rank up or how fast you get weapons? Regarding Destiny Tracker, wasn't that shut down during the vanilla D2 when weapons were being handed out like candy and the player base quickly ranked up and lost interest?

You ever wonder if those nerfs for the sake of trials players and the casual watcher are seen as an opportunity by Activision to entice people to buy more copies of the game? Just a thought.

Many players have too great of expectations. They think every activity type needs to suit their play style when it's the different activity types that are meant to accommodate a variety of players and styles.

eh its whatever i usually find my way through things competitive or not

[quote]I found this on my search because I felt slightly alienated in this community. I thought destiny was a game to escape with but it turns out since I have college, a farmers ins-investment firm, and music performances taking up a good chunk of my week.... I am too casual when I log on. In other words I am not welcome here, and neither are any other gamers unless you are willing to play the game 8-10 hours a day everyday of the week. In terms of casuals yes, I completely understand they move to the next shiny thing and ask for dumb things that yes.. before it was actually done. (Like the nerf to shotguns, golden gun, shoulder charge, universal remote, and Hand Cannons in D1- I WAS OUTSPOKEN OF MY HATRED OF THESE ACTIONS AND ANYONE WHO WANTED THESE NERFS CAUSE .... IT RUINED THE BALANCE- THEY NERFED SO MANY THINGS LOL. SADLY, most of the requests came from trials of osiris players- backed by casuals watching their streams.) I also understand that gaming is for all of those interested. When it came to this Forbes article, Paul Tassi did go in depth and disproved lots of notions against casuals. "Yes, 'Destiny 2' Needs To Cater More To Casuals (To Some Extent)" Paul Tassi: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/12/13/yes-destiny-2-needs-to-cater-more-to-casuals-to-some-extent/#66069d046306 [b][u]For this forum thread, I wish to know your thoughts about Paul Tassi's approach to the casual players. [/u][/b] Let me make this clear. I really love Destiny and D2 is just warming up to me as I [b][u]JUST GOT IT, SORRY IF MY PLAYTIME ISN'T 1000 HOURS YET. I GOT IT AROUND JAN. [/u][/b] I want this game to succeed and I want this community to succeed as well. I absolutely hate the toxic people here- most of whom are just coming from rage quitting OR are a hardcore player who made an alt account so they can troll. I ask YOUR thoughts on this stuff. Give me a constructive answer- or else you will be disrupting my DISCUSSION. A discussion and thread about this topic is meant so I can see other people's sides and views and I can learn more about this community as a lot changed in the 4 years I was here. Thank you all for your responses in advance. Sorry if I cannot get to all of you. LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. Every type of gamer is important to me- and in a game like this- our goal should be as a community to make it as fun as possible. Look at the population in destiny tracker. A community can make or break this game. Bungie is also a big factor.... but we as a community can make an environment even they can't truly ruin! [spoiler]IF I see any disruption, name calling, and anything that does not contribute to benefit this place as a whole I shall mute and report you. [/spoiler] [spoiler]Great responses so far!![/spoiler] [b][u]EDIT 1[/u][/b] I love all these responses so far and it is a priviledge to see other Points of View on this matter. Thank you all!!![/quote] Seems you have a lot on your plate as do many.Not sure what the problems is,the game can be ran solo up to a point but then that's were your clan comes in or lfg.Let's say I have some free time this evening,I would ask my clan anyone want to raid.A few would say sure then maybe lfg the rest or if no one is up to it just look a lfg and try and find a group.The tools are in place,you just need to make the effort.