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Masterwork cores need to return. #coresremovechoice

In the wake of the Spiderification of Banshee, I realize that no one is really going to care about these still. Infusion is a meaningful choice, it always was. Trying to make it some sort of huge deal has made it just a brain dumbing choice that incentivizes "the only winning move is not to play". It's insulting to player investment when the basic grinding they have put in by playing the game does nothing for them in the long run on the most basic of systems. Infusion is one of those systems. It starts a chore and ends as something simple since you played so much. Infusion is integral to progression in Destiny and a day one core player should never have this much of a problem with this. Want an example?: [spoiler]I don't have to grind freaking Ferrite in Warframe once a week to be able to continue using the foundry 2+ years in. Literally all of the basic materials in that game reward investment for having played longer. [/spoiler] The dev team has basically admitted that infusion is basically free if cores are removed [quote]An infusion system with no scarcity around the materials would diminish this impact.[/quote] This is very false however considering new players. Consider infusion from the perspective of someone who never sucked shards from a fountain of tokens over the last year. Little tokens = little shard count Little shard count means no mat farm from spider Little shard count means little shard count to infuse with Infusion by default is a meaningful choice then for someone who is either new or never actually grinds Over a year's worth of grinding, the game's core power increase shouldn't be some sort of nightmare for us. Think about a new player, not even a casual: They are basically never masterworking anything, [b]period[/b]. They are never infusing anything since: [b]They barely got materials They barely got tokens They barely got shards[/b] AND They barely got cores...... Why is this last one here again? Meaningful choice? [b]More like preventing choice.[/b] The best strategy for leveling in this game is, do milestones as long as RNG as mercy on your soul, stockpile the top things in the vault, infuse duplicates along the way, get max gear.\ Then just then could you consider spending infusion cores on things that might as well just wait it out longer since the cap will raise itself anyway and wasting cores on that stuff is a fool's errand if the item is underused. And it's all made worse by understanding how these 'extra' cores will be used If you guys can track where they are going, can you tell us the proportion of masterwork to infusion? I bet it's scary, and no increase in cores will change it. JUST GET THEM OUT The role of MASTERWORK cores in Destiny 2 is for Masterworks That's why you made them, that's how we liked them, that's how they should stay. Do we need a hashtag for this to summarize even further? #coresremovechoice Idk if that's good

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  • Edited by HalloweenHaunt: 3/22/2019 3:15:19 AM
    EVERYTHING you infuse is "meaningful". Otherwise you wouldn't be infusing something into it. That is so disingenuous a reasoning that it makes me want to scream. Just call it what it is. A way to slow progression. You know it. I know it. You're embarrassed that people used to hit max light in a few days and you don't want it to happen again. Problem is everyone else is punished for that. Meanwhile the power levelers are still power leveling and now are also earning all the Pinnacle Weapons at an embarrassingly fast rate to boot. Great post, OP. Great points made. Pity they will fall on deaf ears. (edited to fix a typo)

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    • Edited by Xc_LuxZenRa: 3/25/2019 10:06:04 PM
      [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Edited Version: Those that Prefer No Emoji's~Follow Me.[/url] Bungie: 🤭We Hear you! Bungie: 🥳based on your feedback🥳 we will Remove Scrapper Bounties and add Gunsmith Bounties to earn more cores. Community:😐😑 IT WON'T BE ENOUGH! THIS IS NOT A FIX!😤😡🤬 Bungie: 🧐We Hear you!..🖕Ahem: Our hope(Just Leave it alone🧟‍♂️ Guardians)is that this increased access and control😈over Enhancement Core acquisition will help improve the balance of materials being earned vs. materials being used.🤥🤫 Community:🗣 Bungie, 🗣🗣BUNgie, BUNGIE!!🗣🗣🗣 don't you get it??? [b]“If enhancement cores are removed from infusion, the problem will be ________.” [/b]🙏🙏🙏🤨🤨😡 Bungie: 🙄...infusion won’t be as impactful. 🕴🏼We keep a close eye on the amount of infusion materials being earned versus how many are being used and will continue to make adjustments as needed.” Community: 💩🤮🤯🤯🤯😫🙅‍♀️🙅‍♂️😡😤 1)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418699?sort=0&page=0]Wow Even the Forbes Guy Thinks Your TWAB Solution Is Terrible[/url] 2)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418262?sort=0&page=0]It's a game/hobby, not a job.[/url] 3)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251417963?sort=0&page=0]Paul Tassi said it perfectly![/url] 4) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418573?sort=0&page=0]FORBES:[/url] 5)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418097?sort=0&page=0]At this point, Bungie is begging us to boycott the game[/url] 6)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412308?sort=0&page=0]The TWABs (Solution) To Enhancement Cores is Unacceptable[/url] 7)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422793?sort=0&page=0]Can we get rid of stupid enhancement cores?[/url] 8) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251452307?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Play a Game Where The Devs Listen[/url] 9)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411799?sort=0&page=0]Enahancement core changes show bungie doesn't care about our feedback.[/url] 10)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251428261?sort=0&page=0]The Core Poll[/url] 11) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251414088?sort=0&page=0]#CoresRemoveChoice and a Proposing a Boycott?[/url] 12)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419308?sort=0&page=0]Let's show bungie they need to remove master cores or change to only one per infushion please up vote![/url] 13)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251410810?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores[/url] 14)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436487?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores from infusing bungie[/url] 15)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416524?sort=0&page=0]Remove Infusion Cores simply to gain back some customer goodwill[/url] 16) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251453120?sort=0&page=0]REMOVE. CORES. FROM INFUSION. COSTS.[/url] 17)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418537?sort=0&page=0]You should start listening to your community rather than say your listening[/url] 18)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411913?sort=0&page=0]THE INVESTMENT TEAM IS TONE DEAF![/url] 19)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419439?sort=0&page=0]Ditch the cores![/url] 20)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251438928?sort=0&page=0]The Infusion Problem Will Get Worse Each Season[/url] 21)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416147?sort=0&page=0]The enhancement core bounties are no fix[/url] 22) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251427662?sort=0&page=0]Why replace scrapper bounties when you can have both?[/url] 23) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418315?sort=0&page=0]The amount of ways you get Enhancement Cores is not the problem. It's how wasteful using them for infusion is.[/url] 24)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411497?sort=0&page=0]Are you happy with the announced changes regarding Enhancement Cores next season?[/url] 25) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422336?sort=0&page=0]Is Bungie Not Gonna Address 95% Of The Communities Concern?[/url] 26)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436069?sort=0&page=0]Congrats Bungie![/url] 27) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418266?sort=0&page=0]Thank you Bungie Dev Team! I finally made a "meaningful choice"[/url] 28) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251439614?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Masterwork cores need to return. #coresremovechoice[/url] 29)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418636?sort=0&page=0]Tired of my characters looking like patch work dolls for the sake of light level[/url] 30)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412287?sort=0&page=0]Bungie doesn’t respect player time investment[/url] 31)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418128?sort=0&page=0]Bungie out of touch[/url] 32)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251413867?sort=0&page=0]Strengthen Your Core (from a players perspective)[/url] 33)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441917?sort=0&page=0]A unique perspective on cores and infusing[/url] 34)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418132?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=0]Letter to Devs -[/url] 35) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]A Message to the Bungie Team! -Click Me-[/url] 36) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441735?sort=0&page=0]Don’t give up on destiny[/url] 37) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251434856?sort=0&page=0]Open invitation to any Bungie developers that would like to have a discussion with the forum community on investment and progression[/url] Bungie: 😣😬🤐🤐🤐 Thinking:*😏 We told em in the TWAB the changes won't come until next season😆. that gives us more than enough time to come up with another Non-solution. 😎GG Team...GG.* Bungie: 👮‍♂️Guardians, guardians...👮‍♀️Settle Down. 🕴🏼You know Us.🕴🏼 Remember the Good old 🕹Halo Days(We Sure Don't)!? I can 🙄assure you that we are listening(⚙️⚙️⚙️). As always, we’ll be continuously 😴monitoring this item economy, along with your 💩feedback to assess its effectiveness.”

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      • Edited by TJ_Dot: 3/24/2019 3:19:29 PM
        Tags removed a second time.... OK bungo, I'll leave a "stop removing my tags" tag if it's a mod doing it, I wouldn't be suprised.

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      • First well though out cores post. Congratulations, your the second in line for my upvote.

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        • Edited by ShaxxLeftNut: 3/23/2019 2:26:33 PM
          I kinda like the hard grind tho if I was 700 already I would just be bored until the next week comes where they bring ib I understand your point which yeah bungie should at least give 1 enchantment core for weekly rewards I think this is a good solution to the problem at hand [spoiler]then everyone can get a few cores each Tuesday[/spoiler]

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          • Interesting point. From that perspective shards and all the associated items acquired with them seem to be a an issue, its irrelevant removing cores if you cant infuse the items anyway because you dont have the other mats. I was under the impression that was a grindy game for grinding, it always had in game currencies and material mats, the whole point of it was grinding out those activities to obtain them over and above passing the story lines. Are you going to want everything removed in order to respect user time and allow a completely open progression. Completely open progression as per D2 vanilla nearly killed the game. Its a point of view, not a point of view I can agree with, it fundamentally changes the game to a short term non grindy game that has zero challenge. You can already get to 700 without infusing anything and avoiding pretty much all end game activities. The system already allows for that through dreaming city and milestones and the system already allows you to put any item in the vault, never touch it but still have it count to your over all light level. The story and a drifter bounty will get you to 640 with 0 effort, what more do you need after that ?

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            • Yep keep them for masterwork but for infusing they need to go #Remove enhancement cores

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              • There real trick to light level grind is to not infuse at all lol

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                • A much better post than like half of the people reeeeing about cores, because this actually looks like legit constructive feedback and not an emotional rant.

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                  • #RemoveCores

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                    • Noticing my tags being removed, hmmm

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                      • Edited by FataLVisioN_Oo: 3/22/2019 3:42:36 PM
                        I mean... I have plenty of choice. All the gear I like is 700. It's the same gear i've been using forever. Started at 0 masterwork cores 2 weeks ago and gained close to 200. Now what I don't like is how they neutered the only PvP "end game" activity. You can literally just pop a boon and be 700 for it.... so what's even the point in light level being enabled for it?... what's the point in light level at all? Just remove it if you are going to bring in boons to make you 700 for an "end game" activity. [spoiler] let's be real iron banner isn't a PvP end game activity. PvP has no end game activity[/spoiler]

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                      • Bump for logical post and for wargames reference

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                      • Downvoted 👍

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                      • Bungie are just plain incompetent at this point, you may be better off directing your feedback to someone like Unkown player or Datto or the likes. Maybe just slip in a D2 feedback request amongst the video replies for example ;)

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                      • Nope

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                      • Bump

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                      • Good stuff

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