[quote] You can't stand people out playing luna/nf by using its perks/archetype against them? To me that's called being a smart player. I'm not going to try and slug it out with a NF/luna that's just being bad/a idiot. [/quote] No, what I can't understand is people saying "I beat them with this gun, so they're not OP". A player who is of equal intelligence and skill isn't going to let you keep changing angles while they stay in the same spot. At the end of the day, an average 180 is still a better choice than an average 140 anyway. If you want to bring Range into it, a player of your skill isn't going to challenge Ace of Spades with Luna's Howl at range, so that point is invalid. [quote]Bad players? They don't want to improve or adapt so they love seeing nerfs. Means they can just potato around in a more potato friendly environment.[/quote] Did you ever consider that people don't want to be forced to use a particular set of weapons in order to compete? No one wants to be severely punished just for wanting to use a weapon that isn't top of the meta, those two guns will punish you for using any gun that isn't them. The exclusivity just makes it a "rich get richer" scenario. If the people defending these guns are so good at the game, then they shouldn't need the guns to farm other players. I get that players who just got the gun will want to use it but I consistently play against no-lifes with 15k+ kills on LH/NF and will sweat like their life depends on it in Quick Play.