I never said the other player would be standing still. Luna/nf become any old 4 tapping 180 once you miss 🤷‍♂️ ace 3 taps regardless. Both players can play ring around the rosey with each other all day but the ace will eventually win due to raw damage output. So what are they going to do sit there? Anytime people get into luna range I just ohk them with a fusion 🤷‍♂️ They don't have to use a particular set of weapons to compete. As i've said numerous times I don't use my NF and compete just fine. You can literally use whatever if you play to your weapons strengths and out think your opponent. Standing there face tanking bullets lost AF wondering why you died like most players do in the crucible won't help you against whatever weapon you are going up against. Those players literally punish themselves. The guys I got NF with when it first came out have 20k kills on theirs... I have 1200.