Fun, skill aquired, accomplishment Why should there be any weapons that are more then marginally better then other weapons... there shouldn't be. A pinacle weapon can have unique perks, some better traits, but their time to kill should not drastically out of the ballpark that the rest are in. If you have completed any of these quests you should not need a more powerful weapons to succeed in crucible. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if these are pinacle weapons or not. Bungie will always make adjustments to weapons and sandbox to shift the meta around. These guns had their time, whatever side of the fence you are on about them doesn't matter it's time for another shift.